i just took a flight from cape town up to frank fort, 11 and a half hours. and i think most americans forget how big a continent it is. the second challenge is its infrastructure. they do not have an interstate system like we do. they have rail, bits mainly limit -- but it's mainly limited to the outlying areas and not the interior. really their best mode of transportation is air transportation. and even that is an area, i think, the air force in particular can help with. even that needs improvement. either the air fields, security, or enroute radar control and information like that. >> sir, thanks very much for joining us. we appreciated having you. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> next, looking beyond the latest arms control agreement. you are watching this week in defense news. >> presidents barack obama and dimitri medvedev met this week in months mous could you. our next guest is the head of the united nations disarmment institute. she is in town this week from geneva. she will express orr hen views and not those of the united nations. what does this mean

. >> larry: joining us now from frank fort, germany, on a business and social trip is mark shappel, mark is the former business associate of michael jackson and longtime friend of debbie rowe. how did you come to know debbie, mark? >> well, i actually met debbie while i was with michael working in his camp. i had the opportunity to have contact with her several times. and i found that she really was a very nice, wonderful, caring person. you know, when i finally got close to her and got to meet her, you know, she was completely different than what the public perceives. >> larry: different completely from the way we perceive her? >> debbie's a very caring, wonderful, warm person. i mean, she's a very humble person. people, you know, don't give her credit that she was a friend of michael's for over 30 years. she's the mother of two of his children. she was married to michael, you know, when michael passed away. she was grieving like everybody else. and, you know, reporters, paparazzi were all up in her face. and, you know, when she reacts to that, when she's looking for some privacy and ju

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frank, you got yourself an excused absence. i think all the good people here understand. i want to thank all the local officials. i do want to thank these citizens from buffalo, or fargo or fortpply, can jerk mutual, borland plainview and how about freedom, oklahoma. [ applause ] >> what a great place to spend four july. >> julie: tonight from coast to coast we celebrate america's birthday. though some cities just could not wait. i just love fireworks. st. louis, one of the several places that set off their fireworks last night. red bank, new jersey, also having an impressive display last night. they did not want to compete with the massive display in the city this evening which is set to get underway around 9:20 pm eastern time and the crowds are already running the hudson river. the show will include more than 40,000 fireworks. usually it's on the east river, this time it's on the west river. maybe i will tweak some pictures for all of you sitting at home. >> understand history, in 1884, it is history 101 that this is the day 233 years ago we officially declared our independence, but you may not know it is also the day the people of france resented to america what would bec