frank gaffney, what is up with this insane story? and i guess mainly, frank, is the united states prepared to intercept and deflect this if the worst case happens? >> well, it's -- not so insane a story. you know, we've conditioned the north koreans to believe if they engage in provocative behavior, they will be rewarded for it. and i'm afraid, larry, despite some of the efforts the obama administration made in the past week or so to signal otherwise, this time, it seems as though behind the scenes they've been engaging in it again so you may well see these missile tests, one or more of them. and it's interesting that at the very moment that that's being laid on, apparently by the north korea koreans, the u.s. government has stood down on one of its long-scheduled and frankly very much needed missile tests of one of our intercontinental ballistic missiles. >> was that a big mistake? stepping down from that? does that show weakness? >> i think we're in this fix at the moment because the united states under president obama has really b

committee on nato you're looking at frank gaffney you're looking at richard perle the infamous richard perle people like michael ledeen you look at is not even a nation ok this is part of russia this is russian territory and they established this large flashy lobby group for chechnya i mean people should stop and say why the former director of the cia and lot of the what is this that chechnya while this is a game what you have been doing our government has been doing has intentions of doing even more in that region and now lo and behold with the mainstream media out of a blue star the american public gets a year in a war is chechnya and the caucuses and now the hot terror sounds being there it is just amazing to look to witness that i don't fall when we have known about this or nearly twenty years seems like that's the trend savella you know one. terrorist is another government's freedom fighters when they know how to use them to their political advantage thank you so much for coming on breaking down some of the rhetoric and just some of the background of this really complex issue of a

committee on nato you're looking at frank gaffney you're looking at richard perle the infamous richard perle people like michael ledeen you look at this not even a nation ok this is part of russia this is russian territory and being established as this large flashy lobby group for chechnya i mean people should stop and say why the former director of the cia and lot of the what is this that chechnya while this is a game haro what you have been doing our government has been the lanka has intentions of doing even more in that region and now lo and behold with the mainstream media out of a blue star the american public gets a year and the war is chechnya and the caucuses and now the hot terror sounds being there it is just an amazing tool to witness that i'm for all then we have known about this or nearly twenty years seems like that's the trend of l. and you know one. terrorist is another government's freedom fighters when they know how to use them to their political advantage thank you so much for coming on breaking down some of the rhetoric and just some of the background of this really

one of the authors of that article frank gaffney is khoeupbg us, he's a former assistant secretary ofreagan administration. and joe disoni, author of history of nuclear weapons. weave talked to him several times about the disarming of nuclear weapons. glad to have you with us. why do you think that this rhetoric of a no nuke policy is dangerous? >> well it's fitting we are having this conversation today. this whole idea of ridding the world of nuclear weapons would be a sort of classic april fool's hoax if it hadn't been going on for so long, and if it weren't so serious, and that's basically for three reasons. you cannot disinvent nuclear weapons especially when their technology is in the hand of countries like north korea and iran. i think even if you could somehow achieve that you would find that a world without nuclear weapons is actually a more dangerous world, it's one that we've experienced before, we've had two horrific global cataclysms in the course of a world without nuclear weapons. i don't think we want to go back to that. finally the question of whether or not just tryin

frank gaffney is president of the center for security policy and formerly served in the defense departmentn the reagan administration and joseph cirincione, works for the ploughshares fund. nice to have both of you back. >> thank you, jenna. jenna: one united states official saying publicly he hopes north korea disarms and there is a denuclearization of the region overall but you have officials saying in the background they're really concerned north korea is past the point that is really possible. what do you think? >> the official position of the united states and japan and south korea and china we have to denuclearize the korean peninsula, north korea must disarm but everybody recognizes that is not going to happen anytime soon. clearly north korea wants to win acceptance as a nuclear state. that is not going to happen. the united states is never going to recognize north korea as a nuclear state. it is not going to the, reproduce the mistakes we made in pakistan where we looked the other way and now pakistan has over 100 nuclear weapons. north korea somewhere between six and eight nuclea

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