madea, how would you characterize frank gaffney and his views?thanks so much for having me today. frank gaffney is someone that has been known for perpetuating hateful rhetoric about american muslims and painting a broad brush across an entire community. painting that this picture that no matter who this person is, there's something you should be worried about with your neighbors and doctors and lawyers and teachers that are muslim because, according to him, any muslim person in a mosque or on the street has something that they are going to do that's going to target other people. so he's established himself as an anti-muslim proponent that's part of an extremely broad network of individuals and organizations and money that's targeting american muslims across the country. >> we should be clear, people on that spectrum, people like pam geller is another one, people thought this of fringe. frank gaffney once accused grover norquist, the head of americans for tax reform and a beloved figure on the right as being a crypto islamic fascist, a member of

>> sean: but we have 72 people since 9/11, the judge in seattle got it wrong for it 72 people, frank gaffneyou that we know are from these seven countries that in fact have been charged with her related incidents. >> we have, it's preposterous to suggest that there isn't some connection between what these people believe which they call sharia and their desire to impose them on the rest of us which they think is a la's will. >> sean: will you describe the caliphate? >> if the aspiration, the belief that it's god's will to impose sharia worldwide under a theocratic arrangement which would enable them to have a caliphate? >> sean: convert or die, is that what you would say? >> it applies to people who aren't of the book convert or die. it applies to people of the book, you get one other choice. that is to live in slipped. these are systems that have been established for 1400 years, they are not american values and i think the president is absolutely right to say we don't want them here. >> sean: who else says they don't think we're at war with radical islam? >> fundamentally, were not pretty si

. >> sean: joining us, assistant secretary of defense, frank gaffney is with us from the islamic center sadiq is with us. and former u.n. ambassador and ceo of the soderberg global solutions, nancy soderberg isba here. new york city real candidate. bo dietl is in the house. and also american muslims for trump, sahid faquar is with us. kasim rashad is with us. former counsel to the u.s. senator and houston kyrie 50 million hits onr social media. ask for american president gabriel, and from the islamic house of wisdom, -- a show of hands. how many of you think that radical islamists are at war with america? a show ofy hands. no? >> no. >> kimberly: y. >> i don't accept the term "islamist." >> sean: if people indoctrinate and kill in the name of islam, if you tell your people that 72 virgins await you in heaven, if you go up little of innocent men, women and children, is that not taking your religion, perverting it, turning it into jihad? >> we have christians in america who would take over the government -- >> sean: is not as much of a problem? >> there are more christians than muslims --

frank gaffney spoke to breitbart news last week urging trump to designate the muslim brotherhood a terroristrganization. >> i hope you will do it and do it soon. the reason simply being the muslim brotherhood in many ways is the leading-edge of the global jihadist movement worldwide. the president seemingly has taken stock of this outfit, recognizes that they are a sharia premises program that in fact has provided sort of the ideological impetus behind all of the other jihadist enterprises around the world. nermeen: hina shamsi, canoe comment on that? what are the implications of this goes through and the muslim brotherhood is designated as a test organization? and also the plants to designate iran's islamic revolutionary guard corps as a terrorist organization? >> i think it is important understand what t we are french anti-muslim views that have existed for a long time now are now in the white house. this has long been an endeavor of those with these fringe views, where they have sought designation of the muslim brotherhood -- which is an entity founded in 1928 in egypt, has effectively in