in america into populations who are repeating these but the language itself is coming out of a frank gaffney so that vertical reach from top to bottom is quite pervasive. >> can you talk about the horizontal legal changes whether it is that the state level or local level where you are seeing changes that might help institute the gaffney perspective. >> there is one take away i want folks to walk away with which is do not think about islamophobia as exclusively irrational. if it's irrational when it's coming from private actors but when it's the state, corporation, actual industry it is very rational. their objective is to disseminate a specific portrayal of to achieve a specific objective whether political or legal or economic. that is entirely rational. when you think of rationalism that is the very definition. i don't like the term islamophobia industry, i think it is far too monolithic a concept. i think it is too limited here i like the framing of islamophobia network because it allows us to think about how the state actually impacts what the media is doing. when we think about it horizo

frank, do you want to take it. >> just one more question. >> okay. yes, sir. >> hi. i'm hank gaffney, i spent 13 years on nato nuclear weapons and another 13 years of dialogues with the russians. >> well i'll let you answer the d.o.e. question. >> but what is the prospects of real dialogues with the russians? i keep hearing rumors that the administration is not going to renew new start. is that true? and what are the prospects for actual dialogues with the russians? >> look, that is -- look, that is an excellent question. the prospect for dialogue with the russians, we are certainly open to dialogue with the russians. whether new start is renewed or not not renewed is an issue that has not been decided within the administration. it is one of any number of issues that we're looking at in the broader contempt of where are we going with the arms control dialogue with russia. russia, as you know and as i alluded to my remarks has been in violation of the int treaty and that says something about the russia behavior and also in violation of other treaty commitments. what does that mean? do