frank herman lifted up in his sermons. >> he is amazing. >> so in his book he lifts up a behavioral purpose statement. what do you want to be different as a result of the engagement. i have kind of taken that as a methodology i built. >> i love the style. it says you have scholarship combined with girlfriend wit. >> yes. >> i am and east oakland girl. in many ways, still down to earth, practical and sensible. sometimes we lose a generation because we can't speak to their current day. so girlfriend has to do with being able to identify with people where they are. it is not just a heavy approach to the gospel and words the people don't understand but trying to minister like jesus who live the life and made the gospel relevant to them. he knew that doing judaism how he learned it was not going to work so he told parables. hispable my girlfriend wit. >> i like that. >> well, we love that you came today. >> 47 years of wisdom. >> i just do -- i love to receive. >> were going to take another break. i want to hear more. >> okay. >> okay. we will be right back. >>> welcome back to mosaic. >> you di