frank and darra, your son jordan was 9 days before his 17th birthday.s to you in terms of what happened? tell us about jordan. >> all right. talking about jordan for a minute, imagine if you will ferris bu ehler with good grades. that was jordan. he loved mixing it up. he loved harmless prank kind of things. one year his brother had left his wallet thrown on the floor. and he picked it up and wrapped it up as a christmas gift to give to his own brother. >> martha: [laughing]. >> of course with the brother running around for half a day, where is my wallet? he is just sitting there quietly until it's time to exchange gifts. that's jordan. >> martha: big hair and pun t-shirts. everyone at school thinking he is this happy go lucky, good grades. carismatic. i think you will find so many kids are empathetic. they break across the divide and are with friends everybody and inclusive. not the kids you would think suffered from a major depressive disorder. >> i want to make it clear. the pandemic did not kill jordan. the depression did. did the pandemic help? pro