there will join them there now by going straight to our correspondent said you know we use frank kaufman frank describe what's happening there right behind you are there a lot of people there. many people more a lot more than a 1000 here at brandenburg gate his national symbol people are holding hands people are mourning and people also discussing a lot people are angry people are saying how can this be possible how can something like this happen in this country and we spoke to many of them and they say the police should act much earlier before something like this is happening and the whole state this society has to really think about their. databases their political basis and their social and moral basis to see overall mood here at brandenburg gate in poland and in terms of the people that you spoke to what have they told you what did they share with you. but one person for example who has a turkish family background you have to understand that poland has the largest turkish community outside of turkey worldwide yes and this person who is himself a german citizen he says i mean i was born he

frank kaufman good to see you frank would you say that the role of the drugs did in the bombing would you say it's more important to today's politics than it has ever been and i would say that maybe the context is a different one in times when right wing populists trying to gain ground when it comes to the essence of history of the darkest parts of history of this country then liberal democracy of of this country is challenged and the idea of an open society that it was a step list after world war 2 1st off the unification 30 years ago in the whole of the country is challenged and the context is different and i think what we see now is a moment various this open society is really capable to defend itself you have reported extensively on germany's moments of remembrance reconciliation with the past what does today's commemoration in dresden what does it tell the world about germany i think the president. was really aware that he needs to find the exact tone. on the one side to commemorate the victims these 25000 that were killed during this. and in the same time bring it into the context of the other commemorations i was in auschwitz for example on the 26 and 27 both of generally. already hold a very strong speech i was in the small city of veto in southeast poland will what will to stall to in september. 13539 also here he was very aware that he has to be very clear and i have the feeling that at the moment he's very much focusing on this serious of speeches that will be more in the in the upcoming year and this year and in the months to come and this is also happening this is all happening in a moment where right wing extremists and right wing populist are trying to rewrite this and what we're looking at many would say is the evolution of remembrance culture and the words of the german president how they fit into that i want you to take a listen to a part of what frank walter steinmeier said today if i guess nish we do not forget it was germans who began this cruel war and after role millions of germans are fortunate not all of them but many did so out of conviction it was the nazis and their willing execution is who carried out the mass murder of european jews. and then you would know what. we just heard there the president used the term the willing executioners now that is a loaded term the author daniel goat hog and we were talking about this earlier he had he wrote a book that came out in 1906 hitler's willing executioners it was controversial because he claimed that the german mindset is what made the horrors that off hitler possible the german president did today he used that phrase is there a message in the fact that he appropriate that term and. the message is that it's a different message when a german president of this democracy saying it i think this is very important i can very much recall i can very well recall this discussion from of t