american bankers association, ceo, former oklahoma governor frank keating on the threat to banks and what is the big fear, governor? >> precisely what you said. i think it is, good to have laws say we should be very concerned. it is important that all the regulators and all the banks and the federal government recognize that a nation-state attack on the financial services industry of the united states or utilities or whatever it may be is serious business. the thugocacy groups and criminal elements that is totally different deal. banks pay anyone who losing money, in cyberattack banks pay. the target breach, retailers, apparently they gave access in effect keys to the kingdom to the heating and air-conditioning people which is just crazy. i think any of us who served uncle sam the recognize the big fear is nation-state and we have bill in congress -- neil: they have more money, weapons behind them to make -- >> latest technology. they can develop themselves. can steal it or borrow it. neil: starts with paying kids really good at this stuff and -- >> yeah. i'm just saying, for us as a