and the theory we came to was that frank kitson in his classic manual of counterinsurgency operations rhodes that if you can't catch the fish either by rod net then poison the water and author areas that these ordinary people were targeted to persuade other ordinary people to repudiate the ira a to withdraw support from the ira course didn't work had the opposite effect violence begets violence if people can't trust the law they would take the law into their own hands it was completely counterproductive as well as illegal and immoral i think the stage we've reached as a longer stand. the legal cooperation. cooperation between. members of the security forces loyalist paramilitary groups sometimes as of a jewel level and sometimes as hardened on a more structural level tech in the 1980 s. and ninety's. there was no actual crime of collusion and the. but clearly a group of the number of criminal acts by police officers and or soldiers and has been a phenomenon throughout the troubles and we find collusion in many countries we find goldman choose and sue to gangs he is deniable 3rd forces