you're obsessed also with dominant institutions and individuals, whether it's a kellogg, or frank lloyd wright, or kinsey, you know, people you've written about in the past. you do well writing about that universe. - i don't trust, as an american who has done and said whatever he wants his entire life and has been able, in this great country, to have a life as an artist, i don't trust the domineering leader who says, whether it's in fundamentalist religion or in politics, who says, give yourself over to me and i will guide you. - i alone can fix it. that phrase is running through my head. - yeah, i wonder why. - that's actually been a consistent through-line in a number of your books. - again, evan, you don't know what your themes are when you start to write. you can only see this in retrospect. so, yeah, i mean, i'm fascinated by cults and groups. a lot of you will remember my novel from 2003, drop city, which goes back to the back-to-the-earth movement of the late 60s, hippies. the whole proposition was this wheel of capitalism is destroying the world, can we get off it, and go back to natur