ambassador to singapore, frank laughin, and politico's lois romano.feller was a once a future president of the united states. when he first bought that seat, and he really did at the time -- he spent $10 million on the u.s. senate seat. at the time, that was a -- >> huge. >> chuck, he spent more money on tv ads outside of west virginia than his republican opponent spent inside west virginia. he was buying -- >> washington, d.c. >> 5% gets you that one panhandle county or two counties. >> at most, he was one of those democrats that thought, i'm not going to run in 'the 2 for president. i'll wait until '96, we'll let these little guys like bill clinton run. >> missed the opportunity. but when they arrived, they arrived with a big bang, would have parties at their house. >> they were going to be a big deal. >> exactly. they were going to make a footprint. >> they were. and there was this thought that the rockefeller -- he was going to be the rockefeller that was going to make it to the white house. karen, i want to shift gears a little bit here, put you