frank luntz will join us in a moment.e called omarosa's claim that he heard trump use a racial slur flat out false. big question tonight, how does a publisher in this day and age of lawsuits, how do they not fact-check any of these claims? how does any self-respecting publisher allow this to go to print? why didn't they bring in the lawyers? even "the new york times." they did a profile, yours truly with that very handsome well thought out picture of me. i didn't agree with every angle or every point in the article or this hideous despicable picture of me even though they had a thousand other choices to choose from, but on things like this, even "the new york times" are not a fan of, they were fact-check twice, not necessarily the commentary. they did their job. where is the publisher here? remember it was only a few months ago before she was fired, nothing but praise for the president, watch this. >> donald trump is a very kind person. he has a really good heart. i spent time with him and his children and his family and

howie: joining me is frank luntz. you said you have never seen america more polarized. how much are the media contributing. frank: it's not just the questions they ask. it's what they put on television. if you yell you are more likely to make air. this battle between trump and maxine waters is great television but awful for america. we already had two congressmen nearly killed because of disgruntled individuals. when you tell someone it's okay to harass them in a restaurant or gas station or insult them to bring this on. you will have people using violent methods and it's getting worse. howie: on the left and right, people hate trump or love trump. and are they angry at each other. you found at some have terminated a friendship or cut off family members because of politics. frank: the people who say they are the most of open mind and this is a new generation, this is not true. we are teaching the next generation of american citizens how to shout and be disrespectful. everybody wants to be heard, but nobody wants to listen and learn. when you get to that point, then there

what i said was and what was refuted was that katrina set up a conference call to confirm that frank luntz said that he heard djt specifically say the "n" word. that never happened. what did happen, though, is that omarosa has been allowed to continue on her tour of lies without being checked by either the media or obviously her book publisher. >> but that's not -- when you made that statement last night, the only thing that had been released by cbs was a tweet saying that katrina pierson in the conversation, katrina pierson says okay, well, frank luntz know what it is, apparently heard it. >> that's not true because omarosa then reiterated those statements on both savannah guthrie and chuck todd. so that's what i was disputing. what i was refuting was the fact that omarosa claimed that we confirmed that on that conference call that frank lunzs said this. he has obviously come out and denied it. we've come out and denied it. what i have a hard time understanding is why -- you know, this administration has found itself on the defensive end against a woman who has willfully and deceitfully a

i speak very clearly in this chapter about what happened between katrina and frank luntz.ight. i never spoke to him, never reached out to him. i was simply reporting what was on the tape -- >> he said it's not true. but why do you want to work in a world, as you say, where everybody lies? why do you want to be -- >> i've been in politics for 20 years. everybody lies in politics. i worked in the clinton administration during the monica lewinsky scandal when he first said he never had relations with her and we found out that that was a lie. i learned very early on in politics that this is a cutthroat world and you have to be tough. 20 years in the white -- in politics and i've learned some lessons. number one, you have to look out for yourself. and two, things change. relationships change. and people always protect themselves. you have to look out for yourself. >> there are conflicting reports as to when you first heard the tape where the president allegedly uses the n word. there are reports that you heard this last year while you were still working in the administration --

republican pollster frank luntz reporti reporting. joined tonight.u for being with us. noelle, let me ask you, the trump factor. a revolt afoot. there is a lot of affection for him in the rural areas and talk that maybe he helped republicans there. >> something you brought up to my point is that the fact that when president trump came in, who is to say that it didn't push the opponents number's up because of people that don't like donald trump. >> so what do you do, if you are a republican candidate, the president saying, i want to come to your district this fall, what do you tell him? >> it is the same catch 22 when obama was trying to do campaigning with people running on the democratic ticket, i don't want him to campaign for me. the same thing when bush got out of office. what is interesting about ohio is the fact that it is usually red, red, and the fact that we have not moved the needle with big numbers and that is scarey. everybody is taking a victory lap. i agree with frank luntz on this we need to look at these numbers. we need to look at wh

look at this tweet from frank luntz tonight.seems like certain book publishers care more about getting a release out than getting the facts down. that's why people don't trust these which is especially bad for authorize who are actually good and reliable. this seems like it's blowing up on her already. >> no question about it. she's taking advantage. her publisher is taking advantage of a market looking to damage the president. they're going to get mainstream interviews, you will have her rolling out to some of the biggest places all with the intention of hurting the president her. they're taking advantage of her when they resent her when she was in the position. they thought very little of omarosa, that she would do african american outreach for that white house. now that she's criticizing the president, the veracity and weakness of the claim should be a warning sign to anybody who is even considering having a discussion with her, if they make it seem like her claims are credible they're going to be 4r56d at here. >> ethan i sa

the president allegedly uses the "n" word as proof the tape exists she cites renowned pollster frank luntz. >> i'm in the center of a scandal whether or not the president used the "n" word. >> reporter: he says he was never contacted by it's a complete lie. >> i still can't understand why she didn't call or text or e-mail. it's part of what's wrong. the people are free to make any accusations without any kind of idevce omarosa releasing this recording to cbs. she says it's campaign aides, all who are afn-cariiceram whet president had been caught on tape using the "n" word. >> i'm trying to find out at least the context it was used in. to help us maybe try toigouay t >> reporter: another aide says she asked the president about it. >> i said, well, sir, can you think of any time that this might have happened? and he said no. >> well, that's not true, so -- >> he goes, how do you think i should handle it? and i told him exactly what you just said, omarosa, well, it depends on what scenario you're talking about. and he said, well, why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed? >> he said it. h

. >> frank luntz denied saying them. frank luntz no defender of the president.ecause of her own integrity and what she did in the situation room by recording -- bringing a recording device into the room. crashing and burning and when the president put out the tweet being a dog he brought her back to life and that's the biggest mistake the white house has made. >> dana: i wonder if you think about from a strategy standpoint it's a different, right? so past presidents have tried to ignore books like this. often a president will have at least somebody turn on him or her and an administration. the president was able to help discredit fire and fury the michael wolfe book. do you think maybe he feels he has to push back against her because he is the only one with another fire power to do that? >> clearly he feels that way in this instance he did not need to. she was on her way out. nobody was believing her. i don't think her book would have sold all that well. he brought it back to life with that tweet. when you have cnn and the other outlets trashing omarosa's credib

. >> frank luntz said you never called him, e-mailed him -- >> no, i didn't. in fact, the book said that katrina -- >> he said, i've never heard the president -- >> it's important, in "unhinged" i never say that i spoke to him. katrina pierson, the spokesperson for the trump campaign, says on that recording that she communicated with him and he had heard it. i speak very clearly in this chapter about what happened between katrina and frank luntz. he's absolutely right, i never spoke to him. i was simply reporting what was on the tape. >> he says it's not true. >> why do you take -- >> why do you want to work in a world where you say everybody lies? >> i've been in politics for 20 years. everybody lies in politics. i worked in the clinton administration during the monica lewinsky scandal where he first said he never had relations with her and we found out that that was a lie. i learned very early on in politics that this is a cut-throat world and you have to be tough. 20 years in politics and i've learned some lessons. number one, you have to look out for yours

at a presidential forum in ames, iowa, john mccain's war record came up between the pollster frank luntzcan candidate donald trump. >> he hit me. >> he's a war hero. >> he's not a war hero. >> he's not a war hero. >> i was outraged. i couldn't believe he said it. >> i felt rage. i said wait a minute, you didn't serve in the military. john mccain did. and you're saying that anybody who has been shot down or captured by the enemy and tortured and imprisoned is not a war hero? >> but john mccain's response was, you know, it is what it is. he didn't respond and that's typical of john. >> but as a loyal republican, mccain endorsed trump once he won the party's nomination. >> i think he felt it was incumbent on him to support the nominee. >> that changed after donald trump's lewd comments during an access hollywood segment were leaked. >> when you're a star they let you do it. >> you can do anything. whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> the "access hollywood" tape was john mccain's final straw. that's when he would not vote for donald trump. >> i have daughters. i have friends.

then she says frank luntz comes out. he says i've never heard of tape. she has zero credibility.rump says he didn't say it. at this point, you have to take him at his word. mark, the producer for "the apprentice" allegedly told the president there are no tapes of him exists saying this word. her history the white house has been riddled with poor performance. al gore's office fired her, i think she was in charge of correspondence. it turns out they found 80,000 letters under her desk she never even sent back. then they transferred over to the clinton team and commerce secretary office and they had to get rid of her because she was an absolute personal disaster. this is not a racial thing to call someone a dog. the list goes on and on. glenn beck, ted cruz, david gregory, marianna huffington, he called them all dogs. sarah sanders have the right thing today. she said in one and half years, donald trump has created 700,000 jobs for african-americans in this country in eight years, president barack obama had only created 195,000. i let that speak for itself. >> dana: juan, i give you

frank luntz and doug schoen. great to be with you. doug schoen, your reaction, you heard "the angle" tonight, four pieces of advice as to how to avoid impeachment. >> as a democrat and a conservative centrist democrat sort of wish you would keep your opinions to yourself. the rant was exactly right. running on the economy, a middle-class tax cut, is the pro-growth message that the republicans need. if they get distracted shutting down the government over immigration, that is the stone cold loser. you asked about the mueller investigation, trump's numbers have gone up, the republican numbers have gone up, asmp this investigation has carried on. i don't think that issue frankly, is going to be relevant unless and until something demonstrative and definitive happens, which shows no signs of happening before the election. it could change. but as we sit here today, i think the democratic advantage has as much to do with 40 open republican seats, which are either open or retirements, than it does with any groundswell for the party. >> laura

chuck todd and savannah guthrie, which was that we participated in a conference call that confirmed frank luntzad heard donald trump say the n-word. that never happened. >> laura: oh, ok. so you did participate in calls, just not a call -- as it was described by her. >> we never denied, had multiple calls about the elusive n-word tape or offensive tape, because omarosa again was obsessed with this imaginary and quite frankly fictitious figment of her imagination, which i now know to believe. she was tracking down something that she created. >> laura: lynne, what kind of person is she? you were friends with her, right? >> yeah, obviously, she has known the president for 15 years, she was extremely loyal to him up until the day she wasn't. you know, the president obviously is extremely loyal to people who are loyal to him. he gave her multiple, multiple chances, and what is really sad here, laura, is that the president gave her anid opportunity to really help the african-american community and instead, she did the exact opposite by blocking reputable republicans, black republicans, and influentia

the denying that they confirmed with frank luntz that donald trump used that word is one thing. in some ways is a bit of a red herring. you can deny donald trump used that racial slur in that specific context. but then if you say, he said it, he is embarrassed, who else could the he be in the context of that tape you just played? i think it's important what you said at the top. sometimes you have to take a step back, as i take a step back from the weeds i was just in and say, it is not normal that we are having conversations like this about the president of the united states. we have not had this in the past. that should be the overarching theme of our coverage. yes, we should figure out the who he is referring to. but broadly speaking, as it relates to certainly as it relates to race and i would say gender as well, with this president, we are having conversations, we are through the looking glass having conversations we really haven't had in the modern presidency. >> julie, this tape and the statements following it, this most recent one, it doesn't add any credence to the exist

frank luntz, katrina pierson, and lynne patton, her closest confidant on the white house on our show last night. they all disputer claims. the president says the producer of "the apprentice," mark burnett, denies there is any tapes. but still, the media happily gives omarosa hours and hours and hours of your time. i think in their warped thinking, the woman in america considers to be the ultimate mean girl helps advance the narrative for the media that trump is a racist. but once again, i think the media are misreading the american people. here's the latest data. according to an npr-pbs news hour merit poll, 71% of americans have not very much or no confidence at all in the media, compared to just 25%, however great deal of confidence, or quite a lot. but the amazing thing is, the media don't seem to care about what the consumers of news are shouting at them. the ratings and readership are down, whatever, we have a mission, that is to get trump. most of completely abandoned the idea of objectivity and are now essentially operating as full-time members of the resistance. so now that w

enough your lies and crazy behavior catching up to you can you say national security breach and then frank luntz who is a political consultant says that omarosa is writing him a flat out false adding she didn't even make an effort to call or email him to verify but then you have the u.s. political strategist this is donna brazil. in that tweet up for yes. she has a different perspective putting all of this down to donald trump attacking black people and she says that he spent the whole week going after le bron james to don lemon to maxine waters and i felt place and now it's america she then adds a can you west is the exception what is his secret well let us know what you think of the story on any of these platforms is the hash tag a genius get. thank you for that. many of those who lived through. this next story they say it was the day the mountain fell and that in that a year ago it was that walls of mud and rocks buried everything in their path on the outskirts of sierra leone's capital killing well over a thousand people but hundreds more are still missing as a religious reports now from fre

someone who knew frank luntz told her that he had heard it. the longtime trump aide reported she asked trump about it on the plane, whether it is possible such trey tate might exist and he said no. then she, asked what he wanted to do and katrina cursed and said, he said." did that happen? >> no. it sounds like she's writing a script for a movie. i've been out there talking about this, i did absolutely not true. i have no sources without tape, i have no connections to anyone at "celebrity apprentice," other than omarosa. in fact, she was the only one that brought this tape up. people that i have checked with, who she's meant to him, have no idea what she's talking about. ed, i'm really not going to be angry about this. clearly, omarosa is in a very desperate situation. i really do feel sorry for her. this is obviously trash for cash. i was really concerned with omarosa when she got married, when she had to buy a fake wedding ring. so i do feel sorry for her. but i will not stand by and allow her to continue to tarnish everyone's reputation and

frank luntz. frank: it is very rare that i get a chance to do this. the students that presented, that spoke today -- it breaks your heart. but it gives you a feel for what can happen. and for the difference that can be made if we listen, and then we learn, and then we lead. i want to take that idea and expand it globally. if i can have the students, up here, we will do something really cool today. 14 students from 14 different countries, all of them between the ages of 18 and 23. all of them committed to making a change in this country and across the globe. and all of them from nyu abu dhabi. nyu abu dhabi bring students from over 100 countries. and to give you an idea of who these women and men are, only 4% of those who apply get admitted. and 82% of those who are admitted enroll. there isn't a university in america that is tougher to enter than nyu abu dhabi. i want them to introduce themselves now so you get a flavor of the countries that they represent. >> hello. my name is mark. i am from hungary. >> hello. my name is hoon. i'm from korea. frank:

i'm just reading this tweet from frank luntz, republican pollster, who's pointing out that the ohio 12thy once since 1938 has it gone to a democrat. that was once in 1980 when it went to a democrat. so the hold, the republican hold on the ohio 12th goes all the way back to 1938. and in the most recent redistricting, as raich maldow was pointing out in the last hour, it was wildly gerrymandered to make it more solidly republican. >> this is probably one of the most -- of the reddest districts in the count -- in the state. particularly when you look that it does have part of franklin county, which is trending more and more progressive. columbus in particular has ohio state university and a number of other economic drivers that are bringing younger voters to stay in the city. i think also what you see in this district and in this race in particular is you have really seen -- i know we've talked a lot about the coordinated campaign, but also you are taking a look at a lot of progressive organizations, independent progressive organizations that have been on the ground since 2016. and because

so far frank luntz said i'm quoted in it. that never happened. katrina pierson quoted in the book.it never happened there might be some credibility issues there. ainsley: sean spicer completely fictional he was quoted in there as well. brian: see if there is more than a two-week story. ainsley: she has got to have a big grand story in order to sell a big grand book, right? that means more money. she is upset, clearly, that she was fired. you can her hear the recording of her being fired. she says she was being threatened. i didn't feel that way. they fired her because of some things that she had done. steve: violations. ainsley: violations she had done. i would like more information on that. what are those violations? brian: john kelly comes up and says ethical violations. she didn't say what are you talking about because maybe she didn't want him to reiterate it and if he did that tape probably wouldn't have become public. number two is, i'm wondering for the situation room should they more than taking your word? just like a tsa. if it's that important can you pat somebody down. s

. >> i was in a focus group with frank luntz that he was conducting back in april.elling moments i've had in kind of observing voters this year. he asked a question how many of you have stopped speaking to a family member or friend as a result of politics in this last presidential election? close to half the hands in the room went up. and i thought that was extraordinary. i never seen anything like that. and it kind of underscores the extent to which donald trump is not just somebody who divides us politically, he divides us emotionally, socially, culturally, and when i start to dig a little bit deep near to the research that's been done on this subject of political division, which by the way is this cottage industry of polling and political research now because political scientists said it's never been this bad. what you start to see is research pointing towards the fact that people no longer look at politics as politics. they look at it as a reflection of someone's values. so if i disagree with you, joe, on your politic, you're not just somebody who sees things di