frank luntz, we appreciate you coming and sharing this today.olitical debate. that's not what we need in this pandemic. >> thank you. howie: still to come in the wake of the atlanta spa shooting, asian american journalist joie chen on what the media doesn't get right or get at all about her community. want to brain better? unlike ordinary memory supplements— neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try our new gummies for 30 days and see the difference. howie: the lack of focus on bigotry and violence against asian americans until the awful atlanta shootings may be related to business. do you think the limited coverage of violence and bigotry against asian americans until these awful shootings is because in part there are relatively few people who look like you in the media business in the top ranks, especially on tv? >> i think there's certainly a concern about that. i see right now at this very moment asian americans, pacific islanders really th

. >> frank luntz is republican strategist and pollster. thank you.ncredibly candid sound bites from these guys. why do you think there's so much resistance on the right? >> it comes from the politicalization and the partisanship of the virus among trump people. they think it was used to defeat him in the november election. it comes from a concern, even a hostility toward the media. and it comes from a lack of trust in the information that washington's providing them. nour focus group sound is alarming but it's alarming. it's what we're hearing in our focus groups. we did a study for the foundation and among trump voters 18 to 49, more than half either are unlikely or don't want to take the vaccine. it's actually more than half. so, you're looking now, if trump got 75 million votes and roughly half of his people won't take the vaccine, that's over 30 million people. 35 million people. and you can't get to herd immunity. this is a problem. it's going to become a challenge. it could become a crisis if we can't move these people along. >> that's what i w

strategist frank luntz conducted a virtual focus group with 19 vaccine- hesitant republicans from aroundchael karr was one of them. >> when i say covid-19 vaccination, vaccine, adam, what do you think of first? >> a miracle, albeit suspicious. >> rushed. long-term side effects unknown. >> uncertainty. >> untrustworthy. >> alcindor: luntz worked with the de beaumont foundation, a public health nonprofit, to create pro-vaccine messaging aimed at conservatives. >> how are we going to get our country into this herd immunity if 35 million people won't take the vaccine for political reasons or partisan reasons or washington reasons? and the amazing thing is, it's probably donald trump's greatest success of his administration, the speed by which these vaccines were developed. and yet it's his own people, the people who voted for him, that are most hesitant to take it. who would have thought? >> alcindor: president trump was vaccinated against covid-19 before leaving the white house, but he chose not to do so in public. >> it's important for our fellow citizens to get vaccinated. >> alcindor: an

. >> joining me now, frank luntz who conducted a focus group with vaccine hesitant trump voters, jim ank, we have seen reluctance among republicans, this is in your polling and your focus group because republican -- white republican voters are often more resistant than minority voters in some of the polling. to what do you attribute it? >> in fact, the group most resistant are young republicans 18 to 49. they don't trust politicians, the government. they think it is real. they believe it was a political tool to beat up on the former president. they are hesitant. they are making a statement, a political statement by not taking it. for others, they want to know about the side effects and they want to know how it was rushed into delivery. 90% of all doctors when given the chance have taken the vaccine. that's the key statistic. the second is that the covid vaccine is more effective than the flu vaccine which many of them have taken. third, your local doctor is supporting this. your personal doctor says do it. those are the three factors that make a difference. a non-partisan organization

. >> bret: let's find out what the public is saying broadly about vaccines, poster frank luntz joins us tonight. you had a focus group sponsored by the beaumont foundation, tell us about it and what you learned. >> 19 trump voters, republicans, and they had a lot to say about the vaccine, a lot to say about anthony fauci and what is happening right now, there is one click relevant to what you just reported, there was a real concern doubt, if not distrust of anthony fauci and what he has to say, and i would love to play that for the viewers right now. >> i have tuned him out, frankly, i have no opinion anymore. i don't want to sit here. >> liar, puppet, flip flopper. >> inconsistent. >> self-serving. >> they have given up on him because he keeps changing the goalposts, he keeps changing his mind, and that interaction that you had with the graham paul, i don't want to undercut dr. fauci's credibility, but among trump voters he has none. and if we are to get people vaccinated, what these voters are telling me is that they need evidence other than dr. fauci. their own doctor, their own h

i think, it surprised frank luntz, who organized the whole group. they didn't want to hear from any politicians, not even former-president trump. they wanted to hear from their own doctor and that's why it's so important we get shots into the offices of doctors, as soon as the supply gets a little more than it is now. and they want to hear from medical professionals. >> chris christie also spoke during the meeting, i understand. talked about his own, personal ordeal with covid-19. i'm wondering, if personal and emotional stories had an impact on changing minds? >> yes. in fact, it wasn't so much chris christie's stories or his description of getting covid at the white house. it was his discussion of two family members. one of them, quite healthy. who both died from covid. that, clearly, had an impact. and this is one thing that's very important. we need to give honest, accurate narratives of what covid does, of the death. of, also, the long covid and the suffering that causes. because, fundamentally, we can't give you 100% certainty that there is no

i think it surprised frank luntz who organize the whole group. they didn't really want to hear from any politicians. not even former president trump. they wanted to hear from their own doctor and it's so important we get shots into the offices of doctors as soon as the supply gets a little more than it is now. and they want to hear from medical professionals. >> chris christie also spoke during the meeting i understand and talked about his only personal ordeal with covid-19. i wonder if personal and emotional stories have an impact on changing minds? it wasn't so much chris christie's story or getting covid at the white house but his discussion of two family members, one quite healthy that both died from covid. that clearly had an impact. this is one thing that's very important. we need to give honest accurate narratives of what covid does of the death of also the long covid and the suffering it causes because fund mentally, we can't give you 100% certainty there is not going to be a rare adverse event of this vaccine ten years down the line but

frank luntz conducted that survey and he joins us now let's start with the sound bite on whether these think capitalism makes people, as i mentioned the word slave in a way that people are selling their time, selling their labor, selling their intellectuals in a competitive way that the capitalist decides which is better. >> so frank, was she representative of the view of that group >> yes, she was. and this is the most diverse globally interactive university on the face of the earth there are almost 100 countries represented, dozens and dozens of different languages, and they have the same conclusion that the economy is not what it was, they're not convinced that it is what it will be and these students are very vocal about wanting to have the same opportunities that existed before the pandemic and very concerned that capitalism doesn't spread those opportunities equally. i know that joe is going to yell about this, so let me preempt it there are a number of students who would identify themselves politically as left of center, but they still believe in compassionate capitalism in some