both of the defendants obviously that were in the case, and then also the dodgers actual owner frank mccord at the time. frank mccourt was found to be not liable. the dodgers are on the hook for 25%, so they found the dodgers 25% liable and the defendants that actually pled guilty 75% liable. so when you break down that 25%, it's actually a joint and several liability for what they actually owe. it kind of -- it's split. so even though it looks like 4.5 million because it's joint and several, they get into paying about -- they could end up paying about $15 million. >> this is also open to appeals and whatever judgment down the line. these cases, because we deal with them as far as headlines, you get this, get that, but what happens down the line remains to be seen. what did this say about major league sports liability. we've had these problems with fans in the stands at football games, baseball games around the country. what does this say about them? >> i think a lot of the teams and the professional sports teams are going to be looking at this verdict and they're going to be paying careful