and frank schaffer. he's shore of the book "and good said, billy."g me. >> thanks for having us. >> this is really rough stuff. but not unfamiliar to you. what is this really about? >> well, listen, you know, we've talked about this before. you're one of the only in the mainstream media that gets it. the fact is america does not have a right wing political problem. america has a right wing religion problem. and when they talk about losing our heritage and all the rest of it, this is a kind of religious delusion i talk about in my book "and god said, billy" which might as well be a biography of the cruz family. we've got to stop being so polite. we kind of dance around it and we don't say something very obvious. and that is the obama sabotage campaign has been driven by one group and one group only in this country. and that is white predominantly southern evangelicals who have a chip on their shoulder because he's black, because he's liberal, because he's come passionate and humane. he doesn't go along with their war on the poor, their war on women, t

. >>> frank schaffer was convicted of breaking church law for officiating his son's same-sex marriage. schafer could have been defrocked but instead was given a 30-day suspension. he said it was a matter of conscience, i simply cannot discriminate against god's beloved children. >>> two hikers rescued after realizing they were not dressed warm enough for freezing temperatures. a search and rescue team made quick work of the situation air lifting the hikers to safety, giving them one heck of a ride. >>> now for a look at all things money. a water slide promises to be the world's tallest and fastest. mega blaster will stand over 130 feet in the air and will propel riders at speeds surpassing 65 miles per hour. it debuts in may. but owners say their greatest challenge will be finding thrill seekers brave enough to ride it. >>> kmart is taking a whole new approach to the holiday favorite of various bells playing out the tune to "jingle bells." take a listen. ♪ >>> the giant jp morgan bank settlement breaks down like this. $6 billion to investors, $4 billion to homeowners affected by the b

and pastor frank schaffer joins me now. pastor frank, thanks for being here.d your sentence, your supporters started turning over chairs in the courtroom. >> yes, that was quite the dramatic moment, actually. it was loud and i think some people were scared and they turned around and started looking at what's going on and so then after that, singing -- the singing started, of an old hymn and people joined in and then it turns into a communion service. but he was quite dramatic. and i think it was a statement that the supporters of the lbgt community made that day, a very ng stement that said, we are not okay with this verdict of guilty. >> but, sir, with all due respect, this is what your faith preaches. this is what they think of same-sex marriage and homosexuality. what kind find another sect of christianity where your views are more aligned with church teachings? >> that's a good question. but, you know, it's like living in state where same-sex marriage is not allowed. does that mean that if i were a homosexual, does that mean that i leave my state, my surro

. >>> pastor frank schaffer, you'll recall he was convicted of breaking a law for officiating his son's same sex marriage. he was given a 30 day suspension and in a statement he said it's a matter of conscience. i simply come notgod 's childre. >>> and who hikers were rescued after realizing they weren't dressed warm enough for the freezing temperatures. they were air lifted to safety giving one of them a heck of a ride. >>> now a look at all things money for you this morning. a water slide promises to be the world's tallest and fastest. the mega blaster as it's called will stand over 130 feet in the air and will propel riders at speeds surpassing 65 miles per hour. it debut in may, but owners say their greatest challenge will be finding thrill seekers thrill enough to ride it. i'll pass on that. k sma k-mart is taking a new approach. take a listen. ♪ and that's how you shake it. diane disney miller passed away in pap in in napa, california. she was 79. >>> having a bake sale, better beware. and the gift from george w. bush that had jay leno so touched. that's next. we'll be deliveri♪ ♪

frank schaffer was unrepentant before a jury of fellow clergy refusing to promise not to perform moreons. he complained that gays are being treated like second-class christian. and he says he has been called by god to be an advocate for gay rights. >>> the faa is waging a crackdown on obesity. it's targeting overweight pilots. abc's david kerley explains. >> reporter: overweight passengers have been kicked off planes. remember actor/director kevin smith, who says he's way fat, being asked to deplane. it's obese pilots who could be in jeopardy of losing their license to fly. not necessarily because of their weight. rather, their lack of sleep. >> the science is pretty clear. when a pilot does not get enough sleep, it really has the same physiological effects as drinking. >> reporter: and it's not just pilots. but air traffic controllers, too. altogether, that's nearly 160,000 people. it's estimated that 3% to 7%, may be obese and suffer apnea. that could be 5,000 pilots and controllers. this plan comes five years after a go! airlines flight from honolulu to hilo, hawaii. a short flight

. >> reporter: reverend frank schaffer says his son, tim, was forced to admit he was gay at 17. but instantly he and his wife accepted the news. >> he had cried himself to sleep many times. and he knew that this wasn't right because he had heard that message from his church. >> reporter: schaffer informed his superiors he was going to perform the wedding in 2007. and they did nothing to stop him. but six years later, a parishioner complained. now the minister will face a trial before a jury of his church peers on monday, to determine if he can remain a pastor. >> what is my crime? i blessed two people that loved each other. we ask you, lord, for your understanding. >> reporter: he is buoyed by support, like this candle vigil, and from fellow ministers. >> jesus, our lord and savior, never mentioned homosexuality at all. and my point is, if it is that important of an issue, why didn't he mention it? >> reporter: if your dad is defrocked and forced out of ministry, do you believe it was worth it? >> i do. this is getting the conversation started to revisit really discriminatory po

a pennsylvania minister found guilty of conducting a same sex marriage, reverend frank schaffer performed wedding six years ago in massachusetts and no criminal charges but he could lose his religious credentials and schaffer is due in court this morning when a jury will decide his penalty. >> obviously very saddened so what we are hoping for tomorrow is a light sentence. >> reporter: schaffer could have avoided the trial by agreeing to performing same sex marriages in the future but he reportedly declined, three of his four children are gay. here is what is making business news this morning. we have been hearing about it for weeks and appears jp morgan and government reached a settlement, the $13 billion deal could be announced as early as today and put to rest investigations targeting mortgage invest ms th went bad during the financial crisis and $4 billion will go to distressed homeowners and resolve the banks in california and north carolina. the s&p within reach of milestones and the dow had 16,000 for the first time and s&p 500 briefly passed 1800 and both retreated by day's end, th