we have, we have frank sean who covers immigration from asian countries, from asia. you're right, we could do a better job, definitely. we could always do a better job, i agree. >> why do we think, both of you, and joy as well, why do we think that given the fact that our country is clearly incredibly diverse in terms of immigration, that we're still stuck on these very basic narratives that haven't, you know, i know that my entire career has been trying to move the needle but on a national scale still. what's your sense why we're still reduced to this very simplistic notion, it is just mexican immigrants and they're all hopping a fence? we know it is much more complex. it is a huge question, alfredo, i struggle with it. i'm not sure why we keep on going in this circle? >> opportunity for shameless plug. any minute now we're going to start a panel discussion to talk about immigration. virginia, you're all welcome to come. that we'll talk about complexities, why after two, three decades covering this, why does this remain? my very first job los angeles examiner and la