soho area and so what can we learn from past pandemics how they transform the world professor frank snowdon author of epidemics and society from the black death to the present joins me now via skype from rome in this early frank welcome to going underground before we get to the book which i think is being read by more and more people than maybe you even expected tell me about how you contract it coded in rome and why you've dedicated your life way before coronavirus to the study of pandemics and epidemics yes one devoted so many years to pandemic diseases because it seems to me there were. or for way for understanding how societies function are put together their values the relationships between people their economic systems that is to say i think that there are sort of like a looking glass in which society can see itself plus i've become increasingly aware that epidemic diseases have really substantially transformed societies and are part of the major picture of how societies are who volved and have a decisive impact in that so they're also extremely important as we're learning now with co

johnson always talk about war when it comes to covert 19 we talked to yale university's professor frank snowdon who is investigating how epidemics politically transformed the world from the haitian revolution to the age of 12 french invasion of russia and how the capitalist ruling classes have survived them all and this coronavirus increases rates of widespread domestic violence across the world we ask the un refugee or in violence against women now prevent demick government policies exacerbated this crisis for most arabs in the u.k. to the israeli occupation of palestine plus what is it about communism in coronavirus up to cuba being drafted in to help make donations defend themselves from coronavirus we speak to india's so-called corona virus layer herself from this minister k.k. china job the monster mind of the perilous travel.

soho area and so what can we learn from past pandemics how they transform the world professor frank snowdon author of epidemics and society from the black death to the present joins me now via skype from rome initially frank welcome to going underground before we get to the book which i think is being read by more and more people than maybe you even expected tell me about how you contract it coded in rome and why you've dedicated your life way before governor. iris to the study of pandemics and epidemics yes one devoted so many years to pandemic diseases because it seems to me there are a wonderful way for understanding how societies function and put together their values the relation.