frank. >> were you making calls -- i thought there was this last ditch attempt by lehman to get the koreans to buy -- >> yes. >> considering morgan stanley mitsubishi? were they close, david -- >> no. i think it was a dream. it was a dream dick fold had. >> everybody was prosecuted. they all went to jail. >> we all remember how quickly confidence can disappear. that's the lesson of bear stearns and lehman and the financial market. like that. here we are, four years later, aig is still the most amazing story. having sold off more than any other company, at $35 today. >> here's a company that graen sh trichet said it is a bankrupt company. the obligations they thought they'd never have to pay. remember that december 6th-7th analyst meeting in 2007 where they said they owe nothing? they had some pan professor saying things were great. >> what are you doing with it to generate any kind of yield? >> travelers is doing well. those days were so dark. i don't think people realize how dark -- these are days i said, listen, i want my paycheck, i want to be sure everything works. is my house going to be cut in value in half? who had's going to be l