frank wade, interim dean of washington national cathedral. >> my great pleasure.♪ ♪ >> for mormons, a hilltop in upstate new york is sacred ground. it was there, they believe, that an angel appeared to the founder of their faith, joseph smith, and helped him find the golden plates that became the book of mormon. for 75 years, members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints have celebrated their history with a pageant at that location. this year, more than 35-thousand people attended. artistic director brent hanson says the goal is to reach out to people who are curious about what makes mormons tick. >> the hill cumorah pageant is a volunteer operation. all the actors a staff members are here out of the goodness of their hearts because they believe in the cause and they're excited to be participants in it. >> it's the first time i've ever been this part. so i get married on stage and then i travel through the wilderness before they have the boat scene. and that's probably one of my favorite things to do. >> this year the cast has 750 people in it. and th

frank meeink speaking with chris matthews. professor pete simi, how and poured was this music world to wade page?at the time i knew him, as i mentioned before, that is what he relocated the southern california. what he told me was he met members of the first and he was thin, young land, and a music show a around summer 2000 in georgia -- at a music show around summer 2000 in georgia. he said they clicked and that is what led him to relocate to southern california and ultimately become a member of their man. he told me that changed his life. he said, once i met them, it changed my life and instantly haven't bunch of new bros. at the time i met him, he felt like his involvement in the music scene really gave him a lot of purpose in terms of how he could be involved and how he could contribute to the larger white supremacist movement. in fact, that is what the music scene does for a lot of folks. it provides a way for them to be involved in a larger movement, whether it is as musicians were people who really enjoy the music and light going to the show's and can tap in to the movement through their i

. >> wade page's ties to white supremacists raises a lot of questions about their underground world. it's a world all too familiar, though, for our next guest. frankhor of the book "autobiography of a recovering skinhead." frank is joining me over the phone from des moines, iowa. frank, thank you so much for joining me. first, i want to ask you about this case that we're looking at. this tragedy in wisconsin. there's still no clear motive or no confirmed motive in this tragedy. do you think from what you know, would you be surprised wade page was specifically targeting sikhs? >> no, i wouldn't say he was specifically targeting them, but he was targeting anyone whose color was not of his own and this was good enough for him. it could have been, as they say in the movement, any mud race of people. i don't know if he knew exactly what that religion entailed because it's a pretty compassionate and loving religion. so, but, you know, some people have gone on to say it might have been a thing for muslims but i think to him it was just anyone that wasn't white is good enough. >> and we've heard, we're hearing now a lot about these white power bands and k