this is a concern to me, franks ly ly what you raise. i want to make sure what you're doing would not negate citizen access. >> it's a good question. we're really talking about two entirely different things. citizens have the right under federal and state statutes to comment on, be present at hearings as you saw as a state commissioner, in determining whether a permit is put in place, adopted. that's true. that's not what we're talking about. we're talking about once you commission or our state environmental commissions put in place a permit or regulation and the utility violates it after the public has had input they just violate. they don't comply. then the state agency for whatever reason which we have seen refuses to enforce the very permits, laws and regulations produced through this public comment period so it makes it pointless. you go comment go through this process, which is important as you say. but then the very state government that put this in place refuses to enforce what the citizens have participated in creating. in our s