franz gets much more.apan even gets more than us, but our program is bigger than japan and france combined. >> we are building one new nuclear -- >> two. one in georgia and one in south carolina. >> that is not 24 like china. very modest. >> we were hurt by recession on the demand for electricity. to be honest, in our country, it is difficult to build anything anywhere. you talk about skyscrapers and bridges. it is hard to do those in most places even. all the studies everybody has done looking at crime legislation and energy legislation says if you want and 80% reduction in carbon emissions by 2015, you have to greatly expand nuclear. >> is there not in tendency in what you just said -- you are going to expand efficiency, renewals, etc. -- does that not in some way detract from a simple message? for years, people have not been able to say this is better than coal because the utilities burn coal and now natural gas. >> i think we play different roles. nuclear strength as we operate 24/7, 365 days a year wi