my guests today, fraser nelson, editor of the spectator, a publication at the heart of the conservativeshment. famously, borisjohnson was an editor of the magazine, kemi badenoch also work there for a bit. fraser, hello, will you be anointing a leader? we're going to find out a five o'clock. apparentlyjeremy hunt is struggling to stay in. but the big news, of course, is that a yougov poll has put penny mordaunt way ahead of all of her rivals. the betting markets have moved behind her now so she is the odds on favourite. and will the spectator come out for her, do you think? i'm not a great fan of publications taken sides in these things, we are here to support it. now, ultimately, our leader column will make a decision. but probably, like brexit, we'll make it right at the end. we don't really, sort of, have favourites. like every publication, you know what you believe, what we've been arguing for basic liberal principles for the best part of 200 years and we will work out which candidates will be the same as those principles. but right now we're not waiving the pom—poms for her or even

my guests today, fraser nelson, editor of the spectator, a publication at the heart of the conservative