fraser nelson, fought from the centre. fraser nelson. is _ fought from the centre.backwards? whatever remains of the conservative _ turn backwards? whatever remains of the conservative party, _ turn backwards? whatever remains of the conservative party, a _ turn backwards? whatever remains of the conservative party, a quarter i turn backwards? whatever remains of the conservative party, a quarter or. the conservative party, a quarter or a third of the current crop, what parliament will look like, there will be between any form around 150, nigel farage might get more the lib dems but the polls suggest he will be lucky to fill a taxi with his mp5 so you got to reunite the right, that's obvious. the conservatives would have to accept what has happened is they have been going so long promising conservatism and not delivering it, promising tax cuts and putting taxes up, they have disappointed people who believed in them that they have rebelled against it and i think the mistake was thinking you could actually talk right and move left and you would not suffer a political

fraser nelson on the spectator has done his own number crunching.that actually the tories will end up costing people 3000 more if they get back into power for the next 4 to 5 years. i love this row between two people that seem to advocate high taxes anyway, right ? right? >> and who ends up being the loser of high taxes? it's families. it's individuals, it's businesses. so here's i think that we're useful thing for viewers to have as a take home. when you look at how much a tax rise or a tax cut brings in or costs, it doesn't cost the government. it'sjust costs, it doesn't cost the government. it's just not as much money as they're getting in from individuals and families and businesses. you look at the initial thing, okay, so i'm going to raise taxes by £100. that means the government has another £100 to spend, but then that's £100. that isn't going to go on. hiring somebody else isn't going to go on investing in either a bridge or a new bit of road, or something exciting , of road, or something exciting, like some bit of artificial intelligence or

fraser nelson has done the same thin for up. fraser nelson has done the same thing for the — up.lson has done the same thing for the spectator. he _ up. fraser nelson has done the same thing for the spectator. he said - up. fraser nelson has done the same thing for the spectator. he said it - thing for the spectator. he said it would be 3000.— thing for the spectator. he said it would be 3000. what is important is that the selection, _ would be 3000. what is important is that the selection, we've _ would be 3000. what is important is that the selection, we've got to - that the selection, we've got to have a clear choice about policies and how they are funded. what the labour party are talking about process rather than what they are putting forward. it is legitimate to state you will raise taxes in order to do more breakfast clubs. that is an argument you could have. but they are trying to say they would do these policies are not pay for them. it's not ok. the way the government works is we have to show how things are paid for, the autumn statement and budgets. and we have been at

at the same time, fraser nelson, the editor of the spectator, crunched the numbers for the conservatives over the course of the next parliament, should rishi sunak win power again, that the conservatives are going to add £3,000 to people's tax bills for as long as those tax thresholds remain frozen? mr harper, people are going to end up paying more tax . going to end up paying more tax. >> look, we've set out our plans very clearly. our manifesto has us a stable rising and then reducing taxes. and if you're an average worker, you now face the lowest tax rates that you have done for 50 years with the reduction we've already made in national insurance and a further 2% cut to come, you face the lowest tax rates than you have for 50 years now. that is the that's the direction of travel that's the direction of travel that we want to do. now, look, it's been tough because we had to get the public finances in order. you know, the argument that rishi sunak made when he was running to be prime minister was running to be prime minister was that you had to deal with the public finances and then cut

fraser nelson of the spectator has crunched the numbers on the conservative side, and he's calculatedng plans, as it stands over the course of the next parliament, were you to win power again, you'd be adding £3,000 to people's tax bills. so isn't it just the case that whoever gets into power, labour or the conservatives, the taxpayer will be even more out of pocket ? of pocket? >> so the two figures are not comparable . the 3000 figure is comparable. the 3000 figure is the baked in fiscal forecasts going forward, and the implications they have for the tax burden. the 2000 figure are additional taxes that labour would need to find in order to fund the three £38.5 billion black hole that there is in their, revenue raises and spending commitments that we put forward. and that is something that we've analysed in a very transparent way. and that is the cost to working families up and down the country would be £2,000 across the next parliament. >> but we're in the situation now where the electorate just has to bake in paying higher taxes for what are perceived to be poorer public services

i mean, the spectator editor fraser nelson had quite a powerful line in his telegraph column . said how telegraph column. he said how did rishi sunak come to be surrounded by people like this? and he also went on to say, you know, more people were willing to bet on the date of the election that than actually advising rishi sunak about the wisdom of it, because there are many people within the conservative party who feel that this was the wrong time to be calling an an election, that they should have waited till longer and it's really coming back to bite them and he was saying that we're going to have to have a huge personnel shift after after july 4th. if the conservatives lose very badly. the question is, though, will they have the personnel to do it if they're if they'll emerge as damaged as so many polls seem to suggest that they will be a personnel shift. >> will happen. i think that's that's pretty clear. and may well be desirable. do you ever worry, though, that the person personnel shift is going to be so dramatic? that is to say that the conservatives may be reduced to

equally, then we've had fraser nelson of the spectator look through the numbers for the tories and suggests when you've got an ageing population , you've got an ageing population, an nhs that needs ever more increasing sums, demand needs from doctors and nurses for pay rises, a public sector on its knees. it's all going to cost . knees. it's all going to cost. and the question is how do you quantify how we, as the taxpayer are going to have to pick up the bill? that's the big question of this election, i think, and also this election, i think, and also this debate that's ongoing, that nigel farage particularly is continuing to want to stoke up. how much of a role has immigration played in the failure of our public services, because they're overrun and overloaded. and also as far as the economy is concerned, is immigration a good thing or have we had too much of a good thing? and actually it's stifling growth in this country because of a lack of productivity among british workers. >> and talking of nigel farage and reform , do you think they and reform, do you think they will make any more h

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he met with jamie dimon and jean fraser, brian monahan, and then he met with some of the other big business people come on nelsonnow, he is doing everything right now and the democrats are in disarray because they can't believe big they have this mess on the hands with progressives calling for the jewish people to stand up and be identified in new york city on a subway car, and in the end it sounds like donald trump was the one who was reasonable, who's got everything going behind him, and it seems like he is on a path to victory. to be right, walling. >> kevin: here we go. >> jesse: do you think the republican party is more unified or do you think the democratic party is more unified. >> kevin: i think they both are. donald trump has this remarkable ability to now bring back people that have criticized him up down left and center. sitting with mitch mcconnell, who in the days after january 6th laid that completely had donald trump's feet, to sit down with other members who voted for his impeachment and bring them together where they are slapping backs and singing him happy birthday is extraordinary, i think. my