and i think, you know, fraser nelson, my former editor, has spoken to the biography about her that sheking about her that she was talking about how she was willing to take maternity leave and wasn't going to be paid for that when she was there. so i think she was someone who was respected in the spectator when she was here 4 or 5 years ago, and robert jenrick, should we have a word about his campaign? >> yes. i mean, it was a strong campaign and to be fair to him, he worked very hard. he was travelling the length and breadth of the country. i think there's a video that's gone viral of mrs. jenrick, who seems to be a formidable force behind her husband. one wonders how they are both commiserating this morning. absolutely. >> i think she was very much the force of nature behind him and i think that, you know, he ran a very good campaign at times. it's just unfortunately for him, it was a marathon, not a sprint. and i think whereas among the mps, there was a lot of momentum behind him in july and august when it got to the conference, he then sort of stumbled a bit and he never really made