host: fred barnes, your response? guest: of course, colin powell told everybody not to tell anybody that it was his aide. i do not think cheney thickset is a good excuse. there have been other things written about that that have said that the state department did not want -- that he did not want that to get out because it would be embarrassing for the state department. my question is did he privately tell the president -- remember, the president was hot on the trail of scooter libby and karl rove about whether they leaked information. they did not do that. it was ultimately scooter libby, who was the only person convicted. host: was the president wrong in not pardoning him? guest: i think so. host: why? guest: because i think it is questionable about whether they had lied, and memory could be tricky, and whether his recollection of a conversation with tim russert, host of "meet the press,"they differed, and that could happen. the older you get, you realize your memory can be very faulty, and you can be so short that s

coming up this hour, we'll talk with fred barns of the weekly standard about dik cheney's

host: fred barnes, your response?rse, colin powell told everybody not to tell anybody that it was his aide. i do not think cheney thickset is a good excuse. there have been other things written about that that have said that the state department did not want -- that he did not want that to get out because it would be embarrassing for the state department. my question is did he privately tell the president -- remember, the president was hot on the trail of scooter libby and karl rove about whether they leaked information. they did not do that. it was ultimately scooter libby, who was the only person convicted. host: was the president wrong in not pardoning him? guest: i think so. host: why? guest: because i think it is questionable about whether they had lied, and memory could be tricky, and whether his recollection of a conversation with tim russert, host of "meet the press,"they differed, and that could happen. the older you get, you realize your memory can be very faulty, and you can be so short that something had h

fred barnes of the "weekly standard" gives his thoughts to former vice president dick cheney pose a more. then, talk about trends and demographics of life expectancy in america, and our series looking at the weather wraps up tomorrow with the director of the national weather service. he will be talking about the structure of weather forecasting and climatology. that is at 9:15 eastern. plus, your e-mail and tweets here earlier today, joe lieberman of connecticut, who served as the senate home led security committee chairman said the u.s. is safer than it was 10 years ago, but the country continues to face threats coming from homegrown terrorists. he gave the comments at a conference on terrorism response and studies. it is 35 minutes. >> thank you, very much, gary. thank you for that welcome. i remember a gathering here a few years ago when henry kissinger was the keynote speaker, and the moderator said henry kissinger is a man who needs a knowledge reduction, so i give you dr. kissinger, and kissinger got up and said the it was probably true that he did not need an introduction, but he

phonebill, you're on the with fred barnes. his take on dick cheney's new book. if you i'm wondering have read norman schwarzkopf's books, "it does not take a hero?" guest: , i have not. caller: he is not very kind to dick cheney. he seems to y that he wanted colin powell to get him off his back, that he was coming up with hairbrained ideas that we're going to get people killed. this was written at a time when he was no longer defense secretary. he was in private business. i just never heard anyone say anything about that. host: i think i understand the comment. dick cheney was tough on the generals during the iraq war, the second and first war, specifically when he saw something they said publicly that did not sound right. he would take action. he had disagreements early on with colin powell, even though they had been very good friends. so, i can understand why norman schwarzkopf really did not want to be leaned on by a defense secretary that had never served in the military himself during wartime. i am surprised by it. it isnother one of the disagreements with

tomorrow on washington journal, fred barnes of the weekly standard gives his reaction and thoughts to president vice -- to vice president dick cheney's memoir. michael o'grady of the university of chicago and edward sondik talked about life expectancy in america. jack hayes will talk about the structure of weather forecasting and climatology. plus your e-mail, phone calls, and tweets. washington journal is like friday at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> now, a conference on counter- terrorism that looks at u.s. security since the 911 attacks. we will hear from joe lieberman. his remarks are 30 minutes. >> thank you, very much, gary. thank you for that welcome. i remember a gathering here a few years ago when henry kissinger was the keynote speaker, and the moderator said henry kissinger is a man who needs a knowledge reduction, so -- needs no introduction, so i give you dr. kissinger, and kissinger got up and said the it was probably true that he did not need an introduction, but he liked a good introduction, so i appreciate that introduction. [laughter] good afternoon. let me thank th

fred to lunch. and further takes them on a helicopter ride for which he billed the state $4,000. the path was immediate. barnsse to end before writing that she was a republican star. it is that kind of abuse that someone would say that they abuse their office any way, $4,000 to show up on a boat cruise. is that going to hurt her? >> i don't. in this situation, i really just don't see this as a big problem. this incident has been reported over and over again about how they had lunch and went in a helicopter ride. it could still rear its ugly head. in that situation, there were two -- there was a situation where there was an abuse of power and that could be brought back up, i think. but with this specific one, i don't think it's that big of a deal and especially because we already know about it over and over again. i mean, i don't think it's a ref lalgs that could be brought back on the campaign trail. >> is there elsewhere about her abuse of authority that would make people question voting for her in a primary? >> chris, we wrote about it. i saw it firsthand. abuse of power took place. she was shown to be guil

barn in iowa. the lessons learned well before the glare of nationally televised debates. plus the myth cal candidacy is almost always more fun than the actual candidacy. just ask fred thompson or rudy giuliani, even governor perry. yes, perry still leads the gop pack in national polls, but his views on immigration, including in state tuition breaks for children and illegal immigrants are giving some conservatives pause. how do you think hard-line conservatives would process this? the new york times quotes governor christie as saying this back in 2008. being in this country without proper documentation is not a crime. and then there is this, from just last year. >> so the president and the congress have to step up to the plate, they have to secure our borders, and they have to put forward a common sense path to citizenship for people. >> a common sense path to citizenship. citizenship for illegal immigrants is about as popular with tea party voters as pre president obama or deficit spending. christie like perry would have explaining to do. again, i say, take him at his word. >> what do you want me to say? jump off a building if they'll nominate me? i can't say this