. >> fred burton's firm provides security information for companies worldwide.ncluding information on drug cartels operating along the u.s./mexican border. >> anybody that is an outsider that goes into that area is viewed as either working for another cartel, or a possible informant for a government agency. >> this is the boat ramp right here, this is the area where she came in to seek help. >> the sheriff now trying to investigate a crime in another country, was fending off calls from reporters asking if the hartleys themselves were drug runners. or if david hartley was working with the cartel. speculation began to swirl that tiffany hartley killed her husband for the insurance money, or even that she was seeing another man. >> people still have a hard time believing you. does that hurt you? >> some days. other days they don't have room to judge. i mean, they don't know me. they don't know my husband. they were not there that day. so really, they have no room to judge me. >> with television and newspaper attention still at viral levels, authorities in texas wer

. >> fred burton's firm provides security information for companies worldwide.on on drug cartels operating along the u.s./mexican border. >> anybody that's an outsider that goes into that area is viewed as either working for another cartel or a possible informant for a government agency. >> this is the boat ramp. this is the area where she -- where she came to seek help. >> the sheriff now trying to investigate a crime in another country was fending off calls from reporters asking if the hartleys themselves were drug runners or if david hartley was working with the cartel. speculation began to swirl that tiffany hartley killed her husband for insurance money or even that tiffany hartley was seeing another man. people still have a hard time believing you. does that hurt you? >> some days. other days -- they don't have room to judge. i mean, they don't know me. they don't know my husband. they weren't there that day. so really they have no room to judge me. >> with television and newspaper attention still at viral levels, authorities of texas were trapped. they co

. >> fred burton's firm provides security information for companies worldwide. on drug cartels operating along the u.s./mexican border. >> anybody that is an outsider that goes into that area is viewed as either working for another cartel, or a possible informant for a government agency. >> this is the boat ramp right here, this is the area where she came in to seek help. >> the sheriff now trying to investigate a crime in another country, was fending off calls from reporters asking if the hartleys themselves were drug runners. or if david hartley was working with the cartel. speculation began to swirl that tiffany hartley killed her husband for the insurance money, or even that she was seeing another man. >> people still have a hard time believing you. does that hurt you? >> some days. other days they don't have room to judge. i mean, they don't know me. they don't know my husband. they were not there that day. so really, they have no room to judge me. >> with television and newspaper attention still at viral levels, authorities in texas were trapped. they coul

counter tecounterterrorism expel katz and fred burton.thors of the new book, "under fire." thank you for being here, congratulation on the book, let's get to it, you highlight some thing that was index cussed until -- inde undiscussed untilr book. a -- each played a pivotal role, why did it take so long to get the story out? >> the attack transpired during a presidential election when the fallout and firestorm over the narrative became more important to many than the actual story of heroism, the 5 special agents were young, isolated in a city void of "law & order," controlled by fundamentist militias, and found themselves under attack. lou: you say story of these agents that sam is talking about was lost in the political wrangling in aftermath of the election, and the campaign. you say it is not a story of a failure or a cover-up. how would you describe the story, then? >> i think it is a story, lou, of simple courage and heroism, the ability to do the job under very difficult issues. as a former agent, i certainly felt for the agents tha

fred burton, samuel katz, right here on the show doing a trick a job with the reporting. you will buy the book. as well as see the movie. grand theft auto v, opening-day bigger than anyone expected. retail sales of the controversial game is expected to be a billion dollars in one month. clearly that was a lowball number. outperforming all but two of hollywood's movies this year. the box office isn't doing badly though. the summer movie season, highest grossing by far. a record 4.7 billion. ining us now is the legendary producer, mandalay entertainment chairman and ceo david gruber. great to have you with us. the money just seems to be flowing and in this country video gaming is rising above the revenues of hollywood. what implications does that have, if any, for the movie industry? >> there are two different businesses, the cost of making a movie and the cost of making a big hit videogame are enormous. grand theft, it's the fifth one. certainty and franchise, both of them are going that way because they are spending a ton of money. again business has a long tail and if i

fred burton. i have to start with you. i was on a plane for ten hours yesterday.s part. you've done this job. you know how these guys were feeling. at one point, you said in this situation, there's no right or wrong decision. just the action of survival. take us inside of what happened that day. >> i think the politics of this story have been put over the top. and what i wanted to focus on, gayle, was the heroism of the agents that were all very young, on the ground, and in this very difficult environment, trying to do the best they possibly could, based upon the circumstances that were unfolding. >> but you point out, this was not a ragtag team that came into the embassy that day. you said they were methodical. and they were systematic, these guys knew what they were doing? >> absolutely. it was a very choreographed attack on the temporary facility which was not up to physical security standards, which obviously has been discussed as a result of the failure of accountability on the board by the state department. but in essence, this is what diplomatic service age

with me are fred burton and samuel katz, under fire, the untold story of the attack on benghazi. there was a broader context, the arab spring had been going on for a year and there were all sorts of riots going on on that september 11th day, at embassies in other parts of the middle east in some cases motivated by this infamous film that ridiculed the prophet mohammed. clearly, benghazi was not the right place to be on that day and once the attack began it became very clear to the ambassador what was happening and they called for help. >> yes, they did. the agents new immediately that this was -- knew immediately that this was a terrorist attack, when this was first made. they hit the duck and cover alarm, indicating that everybody should seek cover. that the embassy was under a terrorist attack. message texts and phone calls were played to the u.s. embassy in tripoli. letting them know that benghazi was under terrorist attack. to the diplomat security command post that the compound was under attack. >> cables were sent. so is there any doubt in your mind that the people who rece

my co-author fred burton spent many years in the diplomatic security service as a special agent.ed the last u.s. ambassador to be killed overseas. we wanted to write this book from the perspective of the diplomatic security service agent that was in country. i think one of the unfortunate realities of the political firestorm that originated out of the benghazi attack was that the mission, the very difficult work that the diplomatic security service agents do has been overlooked and underappreciated. you find yourself with incredible danger day in, day out. these are law enforcement officials. regular cops on the beat, find themselves in trouble they can call backup, and backup is a block away, a mile away. backup is an aircraft carrier 6,000 miles away and they're left to live on their own innovativeness to try to survive until help comes. >> a great read. thank you for joining us today. appreciate your insights. thank you. >>> nasa's headed back to the moon, this time our astronauts want to examine a mysterious haze that surrounds that celestial body in the universe. what is it?

with us now vice president of intelligence and counter terrorism terrorism, fred burton and middle eastpert samuel katz, co-authors of "under fire, the unfold story of the attack in benghazi." there's been such partisan rancor over this from the very beginning both sides seemed to go to their respective corners. we heard about a florida preacher and a videotape. we heard about a lot of things. hillary clinton being angry at a committee hearing going, what does it matter? you did a lot of research. what happened in benghazi does matter. because it looks like it could happen again, right? >> it could happen tomorrow, especially with everybody ramping up the rhetoric over a possible military strike. >> why was the state department security so poor in benghazi the night these americans died? >> it's difficult to say it was poor. benghazi was a new post. libya was a new post. gadhafi's down fall. there wasn't time for the security infrastructure in place after the beirut bombings. things were done on the fly so things were lacking. >> chris stevens, very concerned. sent warnings about poor s

brian asked fred burton and samuel cats whether people knew it was a terrorist attack from the beginningirst round was fired -- >> brian: did they know in washington? >> absolutely. that information was conveyed back from the tactical operations center in benghazi to the u.s. embassy in tripoli and conveyed back. >> brian: does it bother you we weren't told that? >> being surprised that politicians would spin something for their own benefit is no surprise. all the political debate that happened after the fact is wasted because the effort should be beforehand to see what you can do to provide the state department and diplomatic security service agents with the tools and resources they need to prevent it. >> steve: from the very beginning, according to their book, agents knew on the ground that it was terror related. what was confusing, however, was the motive. they also don't know exactly why the talking points were perpetuated, but they were out there. famously susan rice went on five sunday chat shows to say it was because of a video. the story is she went out because hillary clinton sa

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