c-span: who is fred fisher? >> guest: fred fisher was a lawyer who worked on welch's staff who had, in student days, been a member of the national lawyers' guild, which was a communist front organization, and the information appeared in the new york times a couple of weeks before. welch had decided that it was--not make sense to have fred a member of the staff, because he knew that mccarthy and cohn would probably make an issue out of it, and he and roy cohn struck a deal, secretly, before the--before the hearings opened, that if mccarthy and cohn would not mention fred fisher and his communist affiliation as a way of discrediting joe welch and the army's case, that they would not bring up roy cohn's rather suspicious draft deferment that had gotten him out of the korean war. it was a mutual agreement: you don't bring up an embarrassing episode, and i won't mention this one in exchange for that, and cohn presented the terms to mccarthy; mccarthy said, 'fine.' then later on, when--when welch was running--was need