today and fred francis, founder of 15seconds.com. low drama of the election night, fox news has projected obama has won ohio, with it another four years, and with it comes an objection from a fox news panel, the most prominent of the fox news commentator. >> you've about got to be careful about calling things when you have 991 votes separating the two candidates. even if they have made it on the basis of select precincts, i'd be very cautious about intruding into the process. >> well, folks -- >> thanks. >> so maybe not so fast. >> thanks. thanks a lot. thank you. great to have you guys here. >> that's awkward. >> that's awkward says megan kelly. so when karl rove says that as obviously wrong as it turns out, does it seem to you that he's speaking as a guy with an independent judgment or a guy who's acting as a republican party surrogate? >> that's the issue. awkward. awkward long before election night when networks have people on their programs who are also actors. they're no longer just observers. that's also true with paul at cnn.