fred gray didn't know she was going to add to that time. he was out of town when it happened but they use to have lunch almost every day at his office and one of the things they would talk about is how are you going to do it, what's going to happen, et cetera. she was convicted in a 30 minute trial. >> she had violated the law so it wasn't a sort of close legal case. it was a principled case that made people realize and that was the response of being the montgomery bus boycott. it was the way the 40,000 african-americans in montgomery had been treated. it wasn't that this was a big deal for all these people to noh ride the buses. the buses were there lifeline. this was more than just about we love and appreciate rosa parks. this was also personal to all the people that had dealt with the indignities. >> good afternoon and welcome to the monthly in depth program. dan abrams is our guest. his books the first one came out in 2011. women are better cops, drivers, gamblers, spies, beer tasters, hedge fund managers and just about everything else.

fred gray was out of town when it happened that she and fred gray used to have lunch almost every day of his office and one of the things they would talk about his all right how are you going to do it and what's going to happen etc.. it was preplanned. wasn't specifically planned for that day. >> she was convicted in a 30 minutemi trial. >> technically she violated the law so that wasn't a close legal case. it was a principled case. it was the case that made people realize how troubling the law was. that was the response of being the montgomery bus boycott it wasn't just a rosa parks. it was the way that the 40,000 african-americans in montgomery had been treated. it wasn't -- it was a big deal for all these people to not wright the buses. the buses were their lifeline to get to work and to get around. this was more than just about we love m and appreciate rosa park. it was also the people would who had written the buses for so many years ago with the indignities over those years as well. >> good afternoon welcome to booktv to our "in depth" program. one author's body of work and more

it was fred gray who was with joanne robinson.talks about remembering that she was the one who openly said you know, we've got to go, this guy, dr. martin luther king, his words, the way he speaks. they really resonate. i think that he should be the leader, and she was that influential in the local community. >> host: and will get into john adams and jack ruby in just a few minutes. but let's hear from our callers. marshal down in houston. go ahead, marshall. >> caller: good morning gentlemen. thank you. a quick word about your process, mr. abrams. i you write your books. do your research as you write or before you write? do you write every day, that kind of thing. the last one, advice to would be writers. thank you very much, both of you. >> guest: so the process for these books is a little different because david and i are co-authors on the book. absolutely there's research to start. and the place we start is with the transcript. we start with the transcript. we both get a copy of the transcript. we both highlight the transcript

you talk to fred gray and they will constantly refer to joanne robinson. it was joanne robinson who selected dr. king as a person who would be the spokesperson for the montgomery citizens. it was freddie gray who was with joanne robinson. he talks about remembering that she was the one ultimately said, this guy, dr. martin luther king, his words and the way he speaks, they really resonate. i think he should be the leader. she was that influential in the local community. host: we will get into john adams and jack ruby and just a few minutes. let's hear from marshall down in houston. caller: morning, gentlemen. a quick word about due process. do you research as you write or before you write? and advice to would-be writers. thank you very much. dan: the process for these books is a little different, because david and i are co-authors on the book. absolutely there is research to start. and the place we start is with the transcript. we start with a transcript. we both get a copy of the transcript and highlight the transcript and figure out what are the key point

fred gray remembers his training over and over, get off the beach, get off the beach. he is like, this guy is one of the most elite warriors in the whole troop. he has been trained for counter intelligence at cambridge at this point. recognized as a natural leader. he remembers, get off the beach, and he immediately takes control of the half of the commanding unit that survived. he goes off the beach, and he sees 25 germans there. immediately, he starts speaking german to them, and they are so shocked that there is this british guy speaking idiomatic german. he says they need to show them how to get them off the beach and get them through the minefield, and they do. these guys show with mom fred, he leads the rest of the unit off the beach, basically being in charge of the survival of the rest of the unit. they make their way to the french town, he leads the capture of the town, and then typical of monfort gant, typical of peter masters before, what ends up happening again is that they decide to themselves, we have to meet these not seize, we're going to do whatever it