you talk to fred gray and they will constantly refer to joanne robinson. it was joanne robinson who selected dr. king as a person who would be the spokesperson for the montgomery citizens. it was freddie gray who was with joanne robinson. he talks about remembering that she was the one ultimately said, this guy, dr. martin luther king, his words and the way he speaks, they really resonate. i think he should be the leader. she was that influential in the local community. host: we will get into john adams and jack ruby and just a few minutes. let's hear from marshall down in houston. caller: morning, gentlemen. a quick word about due process. do you research as you write or before you write? and advice to would-be writers. thank you very much. dan: the process for these books is a little different, because david and i are co-authors on the book. absolutely there is research to start. and the place we start is with the transcript. we start with a transcript. we both get a copy of the transcript and highlight the transcript and figure out what are the key point

she was the model fred gray was a lawyer for rose apostles. also the lord for claudette. he was beyond that and one reason why that story hit at home to me. i didn't come. from a family of preaching many of the ministers that have been in civil rights are the second third or fourth generation preachers. my father was not that and my father left when i was 10, and my mother had to raise me on a wealth and food stamps my sister and i so i didn't have the pedigree and the lineage of a lot of the high profile civil rights preaching leaders had before me and you face class things there. i remember when i was 18 a guy joined my youth group. he got killed his daddy was a big entertain his daddy took me like his son. he was james brown the godfather so of a lot of the ministers i was around civil rights look down to with james brown this gut bucket and they win this refined thing but james brown was who we like so i think that what i wanted to raise there was all of this you got to qualify to be a victim have to qualify to be a leader. you know, we want our way to washington one

fred gray was a lawyer for claudette. even beyond that. of the reasons why the story hit home for me, i didn't come from a family of preaching. many of the ministers that have been in civil rights are the second, third or fourth generation preachers. my father was not that, and my father left when i was ten and my mother had to raise me on welfare food stamps, my sister and i. so i didn't have the pedigree and the lineage of a lot of the high-profile civil rights preaching leaders had before me. and you face class things there. i remember when i was 18, i guide you in my youth group come get killed. his daddy was a beginner terror. his daddy took the mic his son. he was james brown the godfather of soul. i remember a lot of the ministers -- they were in this refined thing but james brown was who we like. so i think that what i wanted to raise there was all of this he's got to qualified to be a victim and a qualified to be a leader. we want our day -- washington one day, james brown admitted upon the to go to the white house to lobby for ma