everybody loves fred hammond. kirk franklin. just run the list. >> all of them.is: i love them all, but before all of them, you were changing the sound. the message was there, but you were changing the sound. started, -- when we started, gospel music was somewhat restricted. push the not parameters. brothers, we lived in munro, michigan, 33 miles south of detroit. motown was in detroit. we were teenagers just holding on waiting for the next 45. we were raised in a church where we had to go every night. necessaryr thought it that we do something musically such as singing and playing to keep us interested in the church. playing some of those motown songs during the service. , weonly thing different would change the words, the lyrics to the songs. ,avis: you'd kept the groove but you change the words. my god ♪ tavis: how did that go over? >> my grandmother and the people at the church, we headed crowd if if we had 25 people, they would have fits over it. they loved it. back in the day, we were in a church building, the windows were up. people would be lined up all a