. >> if you take a lot of people seriously, that reticence -- >> fred harris in terms of his critiquesy. go ahead. >> one of the critiques is black people have not gotten the things they probably would have wanted if they had pushed this president harder. >> but, see, that's why -- i'm sorry. i know this is a little off top on this one, but really, like this president, the notion if you just pushed him harder -- and i think this is my feeling about the part of people can't criticize because they get called racist, i can't imagine a president who's been pushed harder. right? he's got an awful lot of push. >> right. but not necessarily for the issues that certain members of the congressional black caucus care about. so if they really wanted to push the issue of targeted job training programs for inner city youth, then that's something they need to kind of continually raise and not worry about necessarily what the racial consequences are. i agree with you, not all the critique of the president is racial. some of it's substantive. but the problem that the republicans have in particular is

harris about the tape. >> new arrest in the attack on this family fred is the first person to be accused of the actual beatinghis comes amid widening police investigation into whether off duty cops ride with the bikers witness the violence but did nothing to stop it. one undercover detective has been maced on desk duty. meanwhile we sat down for exclusive interview with biker accused of kick thanksgiving off by pulling in front of the suv slowing did you know and provoking a fender bender that led to the initial confrontation in which the man pulled out seriously injuring one biker and then chased and beaten. do you have responsible for whether happened after the accident? >> i don't think i feel in responsible but i do feel i do feel bad for the family this got hurt. >>reporter: cruz insists he never tried to pick a fight with lee. >> walk me through the tape. >> he says simply and those look over the shoulder that is searching for his friend and look like you are trying to slow him down. >> hi no intention of slow him down. >> brake light never wept on. basically this is a big misunderstanding. >> big misun

checked with congressman fred upton who brought to my attention, the veterans administration appropriations bill passed the house with 400 votes on june 4th. it's now 127 days that harrye senate have blocked it. now, the house has since passed a clean appropriations or continuing resolution for the veterans. they passed a clean continuing resolution for veterans. it's also being blocked. he won't pass the appropriations bill and he won't pass the continuing. >> but i have -- probably not the case with veterans. but i have spent enough time in this institution and on the committees to see whether it was the fda, the food and drug administration, and whether it was the women infants and children's program. i've sat in the committee of head start, quite frankly, where the ryan budget was $1 billion in a cut to head start. now all of a sudden as i said on the floor, people have gotten religion. it sounds like it's politics writ large that just a few months ago, we can't fund head start. we can't fund a wic program. >> i don't think any republican has said that we can't fund head start. >> oh, yes. they did with the ryan budget. it's $1 billion in cuts. >> that's not not f

in the end, fred, the house combined these things together so that is a change of plan, but one house republican aide firing back at the speaker there saying that harry reid doesn't, the speaker doesn't ask harry reid's permission about what house republicans will do. we had a plan, it changed, and senator reid can deal with it but the bottom line is there are divisions among house republicans, democrats, and certainly the white house are very happy to exploit those, fred. >> all right, it just gets messier and messier, doesn't it, brianna. thank you so much. appreciate that, from the white house. >>> so for one lawmaker, anger over the shutdown is moving from capitol hill now to the world war ii memorial which has been closed since the standoff began. here's what happened when congressman randy naugebauer faced off with one of the park rangers. >> how do you look at them and deny them access. >> it's difficult. >> it should be difficult. >> it is difficult, sorry, sir. >> park service should be ashamed of themselves. >> i'm not ashamed. >> you should be. >> people are passing the buck. >> the memorial doesn't cost for anybody. >> i'm a 30-year feder

ended there, harris, because that's where i want to begin, because it took so long to get this case to trial. we're going to talk more about this with our legal panel, former federal prosecutor fred us and -- fred tecce is with us, and doug burns will be long in just a moment. fred, it did take about five years before this man was charged with anything. how does that factor in? >> well, giving the overwhelming ed, it's not going to factor at all. look, this is a tragic case. a woman's dead, eight children lost their mother. but they teach you in law school about the presumptionover innocence? well, in this case this guy walks into court with what i call the presumption of guilt. any guy who's dating a woman named gypsy while his wife ends up in the bathtub dead having drowned is guilty. starts from ground zero and has to go upwards -- jenna: now, wait a minute, fred, hold on a second. besides gypsy, who we're seeing on the screen here, there were three medical examiners that took a look at the death, two with who worked for the state of utah and another that's a paid expert by the defense. we'll keep that in mind, but none of them found any sort of level in her system that would