mason says, "hello." well, that didn't put me very much at ease. now, fred de cordova, he was there. do you remember fred? >> yes, i do. >> and pamela mason was then very young, and very sexy, and she was rubbing herself with nivea cream. [ laughter ] i don't know why i remember these details but-- [ laughter ] but she's rubbing herself with nivea cream, and freddie's watching her, and i'm watching her, and mason's watching his evangelists. now, i don't know what to say-- i'm uncomfortable in this home. so i look at the ceiling... and finally in the corner a little old lady in a rocking chair like "whistler's mother" and i-- it scared me and i said, "who's that?!" and mason says, "that's my mother." and i said, "do you like her?" [ laughter ] and he said, "no, not really." [ laughter ] >> which is something to say. >> that's my de cordova story. >> let me ask you, all the people you had controversy with-- >> contro-- yeah, i did have-- >> yeah, i did a lot of trouble, didn't i? >> yeah, you always seemed to be in a-- you know, watching you, you know what was fascinating about watchin