westboro baptist church as founder fred phelps as homophobia is rooted in his bizarre fundamentalist reading of scripture right well maybe not according to some former members of the westboro baptist church phelps's hatred for gays may have a more personal cause they think the phelps is gay that's right the leader of one of the most infamously anti-gay organizations in the nation may himself be gay what a shocker for today's everything you know is wrong segment we're joined by lauren drain lauren is an ex member of the church and the author of banished surviving my years in the westboro baptist church a memoir of her time with the westboro baptist lauren welcome to the program thanks for having me thanks for joining us so fred phelps gay really i don't i doubt that he's severely offended by being asked that question he's got i point witness and then ask you know he had any. and then see user experiences and he either completely avoids especially want to answer it or he just gets really really angry which i just find kind of strange it seems like if you know if a straight person was as

became involved in the westboro baptist church when her father decide join the congregation led by fred phelpshe had planned to make a documentary mocking the church but instead found its doctrine convincing and moved his entire family to the church compound. >> at about age 14 my father started making some huge changes. he pulled me out of high school, he took me away from my friends, and he told me that he was going to start raising our family christian, according to the phelps' church. and their doctrine. >> drain participated in westboro baptist's effort to spread its vitriolic message. but she was ultimately banished om t church becae she had been found chatting online with a boy. dropped off at a nearby hotel with a few possessions, drain is tried hard to reconnect with her family, but her family wanted no part of that. >> it's a desperate act. you want to save your relations with your family. and at that time i did, and i was traumatized. but fortunately for me, i've grown from that. >> as time went on, drain met several people whom she once would have condemned as sinners. due toer crc

. >> you know what is great entertainment, google fred phelps, george carlin. into a propaganda in order to advance their filthy -- >> stephanie: you need to step in. >> this dialogue is going to be elevated with a bit of seriousness, or this conversation is over. it has been awful nice talking to you -- >> stephanie: don't you want to talk to some callers? no, don't. but i love you. [ explosion ] >> stephanie: bastard. >> take care then. bye-bye. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: that was the longest i ever kept him on. >> yeah, it is. >> he is so -- such a loving christian. >> stephanie: so awesome. yeah exactly. in another edition of wow is that random. dennis rodman as you know went to north korea, and now -- isn't he at the vatican waiting to meet the new pope. he says he will go wherever he is needed. he is needed anywhere as i pointed out. >> clearly things are not going well with north korea now, so i'm really curious, what did you do -- i can imagine him getting all chummy with him -- >> yeah, john kerry on the phone with you. >> what is going to happen at the

>> fred phelps and kenny chesney come out in support in a duet. that i think that would be great.you could get me in trouble if you finished that thought to its conclusion, because kenny chesney is an amazing straight country singer. >> after years of demon sizing gay marriage to get votes, karl rove is now open to marriage equality to get votes. karl rove has long been fostering fear and scorn of his fellow gay americans because that's part of the job description. in 2004, the rove controlled gop warned us constantly of a dire threat to traditional marriage and anti gay initiatives. seeing one of the greatest architects of homophobia is so exciting and tint lating, it should be described as gay porn. i wonder if it has