. >> fred schockner? >> fred schockner. >> fred schockner, lends husband of 25 years.red had been cooperative with detective since day one. and, yes he had moved out of the family, house but he told them that the break was amulet, he she is my best, friend he said. and not long after the murder, young charlie sought out birdsall and whispered a cruel question. >> does my father have anything to do with? this >> truly remembers what the detective told him. >> we he said that -- he was quick about it. that if they have thought that, they would've looked into him, and not to worry about that. >> is that what detectives really believe? well, no. >> we have to sit there and look at him in the eye and say, well kate -- let you know if he is. involved >> but not say we suspect. >> exactly. >> they believe they couldn't tell charlie, or the rest of the family, but they were discovering. afraid that fred would find out, stop talking to them. so charlie stayed at home with his father. his uncle mark was allowed, even encouraged to believe, that fred was not involved. even as the