fred smith. >> a follow-up. anthropologists and sociologists, they are less connected so less reality check. allowing very much embedded in the world economic will come and get it doesn't see dramatic a century between the way the private part of the economic sphere and the federalists, the cato, cei's, others respond to issues in whidbey in the public law center, human rights lawyers and so on, and their intellectual allies and what you talk about, one seems the strategic, the other seems to be winning cases. is there some way of raising the strategic awareness of our side to recognize where it will end and we're fighting it defensively? >> well, fred, it is a metaphor. i prefer culture peace. but the question is why the asymmetry? and let me pursue thought for a moment because i spend a fair bit of time in the book talking about how, if you move from groups like the american civil liberties union to law school clinics and programs in adjacent areas, you find a whole lot of overlap. you find cooperation. even s

fred smith. >> at follow-up to dave's earlier question. the anthropologists, sociologists, in one way they are less connected to the world. yet it does appear you see a dramatic asymmetry between the way the private law and part of the economics economic sphere and their intellectual allies respond to these issues in the way that trial lawyers, union lawyers, human rights lawyers and so on and their intellectual allies and what you have talked about. one seems to be strategic looking for president and the other one seems to be winning cases. is there some way of phrasing the strategic awareness of our side to recognize we are in a cultural war and we are fighting defensively rather than offensive lay? >> well, fred, the way you get me going is talking about cultural wars as a metaphor. i prefer a culture of peace but the question is, why the asymmetry? let me pursue that for a moment he does i spend a fair amount of time in the book talking about how if you move from groups like the american civil liberties union to law school clinics and

fred smith from see eye. >> walter, the whole elephant there. you make a very good case. the intellectual self interest. they pursue it quite well because of their ability to be borrowing the prestige over the greedy capitalist. also power in governments. given the aggressive pose to the business plan generally, why. they have great command. general counsel and so forth. faced with things like the acts of others. yet businesses in this area and some of the other areas seem to be passively waiting. >> well, that is a good question. why has business and those are interested in the thriving of an entrepreneurial capitalists system, why have they paid so much attention. and you could ask it even more pointedly after reading the book because ito at considerable length how very different group, namely the ford foundation in particular study in a 1940's and 50's and later joined by other liberal philanthropist's, they were not neglecting the law schools. there were ploughing in vast amounts and a great deal of organizational skill into making the law school's more socially consc

. >> fred smith. >> i would like to follow the earlier question. the altar apologist said the your connected to the reality check but it is very much and it in the world of economics and you see h. hermetic asymmetry between the way the private law part of the economic sphere and the federalist just got out of the cia and others respond to these issues in a way the was your trial lawyers and so on and the intellectual allies you talked about. one seems to be strategic looking for presidents and the other seems to be winning cases. is there some way of raising the awareness of our site to recognize we are in a cultural war iraq and we are fighting it to sensibly rather than offensive late. >> the last way you're getting the office to talk about the social war as a metaphor. i prefer the cultural base, but the question is why the asymmetry because i spend a fair good of time talking about how if you move from groups like the american civil liberties union to the law school clinics and programs education areas, you find a lot of overlap, cooperation,

fred smith. >> a follow-up to dave's question. the anthropologists and sociologists, they're less connected to the world, less reality checks, but a lot of it's embed inside the economic world. yet it does appear you see a dramatic asymmetry in the way between the private law economics atmosphere and the heritages, catos, cei, others respond to the issue in the way public law, trial lawyers, human rights lawyers and so on and their intellectual allies. and what you've talked about one seems to be strategic, looking for precedents, the other seems to be winning cases. is there some way of raising the strategic awareness of our side to recognize we're in a cultural war, and we are fighting it tactically and defense my? >> well, fred, where you get me going is talking about cultural wars metaphor. i prefer culture peace. but the question is why the asymmetry. and let me pursue that for a moment because i spent a fair bit of time in the book talking about how, um, if you move from groups like the american civil liberties union to law