joining us now, fred tecce, former federal prosecutor.sther panitche is a criminal defense attorney. esther, if you're defending this woman, what do you say to the judge or magistrate that is hearing this case? >> help. >> if you're defwoman clearly se of mental issue you want to explore. also you may want to have her kind of help out the authorities or offer to have her help out the authorities because clearly she is getting through where she shouldn't and tsa may want to use her as an advisor to try to find out where the holes are in their security. jon: yeah, fred. she actually managed to board a flight a couple of weeks ago, without a ticket. got on board. flew to some other destination. had no ticket. obviously she has got some issues but is she a danger? >> well, no, she is not a danger other than she shows that there are weaknesses in the u.s. security system that our enemies may want to try to take advantage of. so i mean this woman has been told repeatedly, jon, you're a pilot, i'm a pilot. look out the window we can't wait to ge

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fred tecce, former federal prosecutor. ashley merchant, former defense attorney. >> thanks for having me. heather: fred, start with you, to siri, or not to siri, seems up for debate in this case. tell us what the discrepancy creams is. is used as evidence and would it matter? >> i wouldn't bother asking siri. i only asked siri two questions in my lifetime and who is your daddy and what are you wearing. she is only woman i could ask that too and not get slapped or sued. and secondly i haven't gotten a straight answer out of her yet. that evidence is red herring. the evidence is overwhelming. he did searches for anesthesia and chloroform. the victim's blood was in his car. he has a written confession. turned off his cell phone. the guy is going down like a sack of hammers. forget the siri evidence. heather: ashley he bought a shovel. is this hard evidence or circumstantial? >> i think the evidence is circumstantial in this case. i don't think they have hard evidence but i do think he is going down. i think it comes down to wh