martha: and, he quoted fred thompson as well.t his list of republicans who are on board with what harry reid wants and that sent some conservatives in the other direction and let's listen to the sound from the mitch mcconnell and get that into the mix as well, from moments ago. >> what about over here in the senate? the contrast couldn't be starker. we have been working the last few days towards a solution to the crisis the way the republican majority in the house has and the democratic majority in the senate has been wasting precious time rounding up no votes to keep the crisis alive, rather than being responsible and doing their duty to come up with a bill that can actually pass, they have been busy signing people up for the not good enough caucus. and ginning up opposition to everything else. martha: a lot of frustration from senator mcconnell. >> and maybe harry reid the democratic leader is hearing that, because, as chris turner our capitol hill producer reports, he said on the floor, the senate majority leader he'll move fo

by beating mike huck a ka b huckabee and i don't think he will be another fred thompson.on't. it's a game changer rather than a field changer. i think he will soak up the support being split among a number of candidates that have failed to distinct wish themselves and i think it would very quickly become a rick perry-mitt romney race. but in all seriousness, it can help in south carolina. independent voters are the least religious segment. whether he adds something in the field or does the latter, there's still opening in the center right. >> is the democrat watching knowing that the map will be different and tougher for obama in 2008? when you look at rick perry, you have a field that is out there and then a rick perry that might get in, who do you worry about the most? >> well, first of all, with rick perry, i think that there are a lot of americans that understand that language. i don't know that that is necessarily a liability for him. i think that a bigger liability is that as democrats we expect the proposal coming out in 2012 are going to look a lot like the polici

i sat with fred thompson from tennessee. he served here in the senate admirably and went back to doing acting. former senator fred thompson is a republican. he urged members of his own party in an open letter to the house gop come to recognize a good deal when they see it. he said, i respectfully suggest that you retain your chips, stuff them in your pocket and go home. the proposal on the table cut the deficit by 2.5 trillion. if their goal is to rein in spending, they have already won. declare victory and leave. this is from fred thompson, republicans should know when to take the chips and walk away. the american writer albert herbert said, it is easy to get everything you want cork provided you first, learn to do with of the things >> the war of words continues between democrats and republicans as we're five days away from the government running out of money. harry reid presented one plan in the senate, house speaker john been presented as old plan to raise the debt ceiling and cut spending in the house of representatives

republicans should know, this is ke the fred thompson, when you their chips and walk away. american writer albert hubbard said quote, it is easy to get yu everything you want provided you first learn to do without the things you cannot get. abo that's what this is all about. d it's easy to get everything you want provided you first learn to do without the things you cannot get. eric hangs either side cannotsit get. accept that and move on. republicans cannot get the short-term band-aid they were brought on in the house today. they will not get one democratic vote in the senate. all 52 numbers wrote to the speaker last night.hand-deliv it was hand delivered to him to tell him why we won't vote for it and we won't vote for it.ore the economy needs more certainty than the speakers proposal woult provide. we must not be back here in sixn been involved in for seven or eight months. we don't need to do do that. th. washington has been locked down with a debt crisis debate.o. the white house isn't doing all. they need to do.his in we're not doing the things weee, need to do. we ca

as fred thompson said, the republicans have gotten what they wanted. they should put their chips in their pocket and go home and declare victory. what we have now as our amendment is one that reduces the debt, extends the debt ceiling until march of 2013. cdo has scored it. it has raised the number to -- c bo has scored it. it has raised the number to $ 2.4 trillion. i'm asking the republican leaders to give me ideas as to what will improve the legislation. keep in mind that there will be no agreement if it is a short- term extension. we're not going to do that and my caucus supports of fully. right now, this is the only compromise there is. obviously, obviously, what is being done in the house is not compromise. it is being jammed through with all kinds of non transparent dealings, people shuffling in and out of the republican leader's office. we're recognizing that the only compromise that there is his mind. this is truly bipartisan piece of legislation. the republicans realize that. i had a number of republicans come to me. i had one republican come

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former senator fred thompson asked the members of his own party to come to theirences is. "i respectfully suggest that you rake in your chips and stuff them in your pockets." he believes that -- i hope my friend, senator mcconnell will come to me and help to move the process along. my door is open. i'll listen to any idea to get this done in a way that prevents a default and a downgrade to our country's credit rating. the time is short and that is an understatement. too much is at stake to waste even one more minute. the last train is leaving the station. this is our last chance to avert a default. the vote on this compromise will determine whether we enter the frightening world of default. a vote for the senate compromise, we vote on the financial obligations of this great nation to pay their bills. i would ask my friends, my republican friends, break away from this thing going on in the house of representatives. they're going to vote at 4:30 yesterday, 6:30, 7:30, 8:30, 9:30, 10:30, and they finally quit. rumors flying around, mr. president. "the wall street journal" sai

you've won, i said to fred thompson. i don't know. i don't know. i didn't schedule it. i sent a note and said i would be down here. >> let's take those one at time. balanced budget amendment. that is one thing that senator mcconnell has talked about lots of times. we don't have no with a balanced budget amendment. we have one our side that mark udall has worked on. if they want a balanced budget vote we want to have one. it seems odd to me, however, for something as important as this to get the bare majority they got in the house yesterday, they put in their bill that you have to actually pass a constitutional amendment before they will allow the debt to be increased. that is a little extreme. we're happy to have a vote on balanced budget amendments. we had them before. on your other question -- we've had two wars that this administration didn't start either one of them. we don't need to go in to the wars. i haven't been a big fan of iraq war. that war was cost us almost $2 trillion. the afghanistan and iraq war is winding down. office management of budget office has lo

he is fred thompson flair of the month candidate or does he have a recipe we don't know about. >> combined bachmann and perry, they are at 27 versus romney's 30. suddenly romney is not a huge front runner. if somehow the anti-romney conservatives coalesce. >> what i heard again and again is i didn't like john mccain, i like michele bachmann, rick santorum, because they are true conservatives. >> they want to be excited. the base wants to be excited. >> stick with me, we're going to talk gang of six without the leather jackets after the break. >>> trivia time, we asked which six states cast the highest percentage of votes for president obama in 2008. the answer, hawaii, vtd have the, rhode island, illinois, delaware. new york, i'm surprised it was in the top six. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. for up to 12 hours. and my pharmacist told me it's the only otc pain patch approved for sale using the same rigorous clinical testing that's required for prescription pain medications. proven. powerful. safe. salonpas. but not your wrinkles. new neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair. it

they, in effect, as fred thompson said, have gotten everything they want and should put those chips iny and declare victory. there will be no time left to vote on another bill or consider another option here in the senate. this is our last best chance to preserve the character and credit of our great nation. wisconsin wou >> would our colleague yield for a question? >> be happy to. >> i thank our leader. and leader has outlined it well. the house for all its dela nowhere because their bill will not pass, not become law. 53 of the 53 democrats have signed a letter saying they won't vote for it. the president has said he'll veto it. all for a very simple reason and that is because if you do this short term, you don't calm the markets. >> take a look at that as we are live from the floor. if you are watching the numbers as senate majority leader harry reid was speaking the numbers continue to tank. dow industrials down 140 points right now. harry reid saying no more time this is a pretty good deal. he was reiterating how the house plan is doomed in the senate. default not an option here a

we got fred thompson and he went nowhere. at a certain point it is too late to get in.that says sarah palin but i don't see it. i do not see her running. >> will slin sarah palin or rick perry entering the race be their solution? can either one of them come in the race and energize and bring vigor into what seems like a dull bunch right now? >> i think they can, reverend sharpton. er with looking at a short term attention span. these people have a national brand. and the enthusiasm level for these guys -- >> would they hurt the ultimate goal of winning in november? they may at one level bring some excitement but would they push the parties so far to the margins that it ends the race in november? >> that's academic unless you win the nomination. these people can go national. take it to super tuesday. raise big money for california and new york, and seal the deal there. but if you are mitt romney and you are sitting on 20 points in new hampshire, neighboring state where you own the property, 20 points ahead of michele bachmann. this is a weak field. anyone sitting on the

us feel -- they have done a lot that they wanted, as i indicated yesterday, i say again today, fred thompson said take your chips and go home. you've won. >> who else is going to be at the meeting at the white house? >> i don't know. i didn't schedule it. >> what about an outside amendment of some sort, and also the trillion dollars in savings. >> let's take those one at a time. balanced budget amendment, that's one thing that senator mcconnell and i talked about lots of times. we have no problem with the balanced budget amendment. we have one on our side that senator mark udall worked very hard to prepare. it is ready to go. we have no problem with that. they want a balanced budget vote, we want to have one. it seems r s a little odd to me however, for something as important as this, an effort to get the bear majority they have in the house yesterday, they put in their bill that a -- you have to actually pass the constitutional amendment before they will allow the debt to be increased. that's a little extreme, i would think. we're happy to have a vote on balanced budget amendments. we had t

as fred thompson said, the republicans have gotten what they wanted. they should put their chips in their pockets and go home and declare victory. it's really -- what we have now as our amendment is one that reduces the debt. ceils the debt ceiling until march of 2013. cbo has scored it and raised the number to over $2.4 trillion. so it's real compromise directed toward the republicans is so i'm going to today as i did on the floor this morning as my republican colleagues starting with senator mcconnell, give me some ideas as to what you think would improve my legislation. keeping in mind as i've said on the floor there will be no agreement if it's a short-term extension. we're not going to do that. and my caucus supports that fully. right now this is the only compromise there is, obviously. obviously. what is being done in the house is not a compromise. it's being jammed through that with all kinds of nontransparent dealings. people shuffling #and out of the republican leadership's offices. so we're recognizing the only compromise that there is is min

as i indicated yesterday, i said today, fred thompson said take your chips and go home. you've won. >> tell us about the meeting at the white house. >> i don't know. don't know. i didn't schedule it. i got a note as i came in here to be down there at 3:30. [ question inaudible ] >> let's take those one at a time. balanced budget amendment, that is one thing senator mcconnell and i talked about lots of times. we have no problem with a balanced budget amendment. we have one on our side that senator mark udall worked very hard to prepare. it's ready to go. we have no problem with that. they want a balanced budget vote, we want to have one. it's odd to me, however, that for something as important as this an effort to get the bare majority they got in the house yesterday, they put in their bill that you have to actually pass a constitutional amendment before they will allow the debt to be increased. that's a little extreme, i think. we are happy to have a vote on balanced budget amendments. we had them before. there are two wars this administration didn't start either one of

i started this project and interviewed 10 or 12 people, fred thompson from watergate. senator thompson was chief republican counsel on the senate watergate committee and congressman who worked on iran-contra and all these things. the one that i thought was the most fascinating was with the former chairman of the house judiciary committee. for people who are at least as old as i that name will be familiar. because he was the democrat chairman of the house judiciary committee that led to the impeachment investigation into president nixon. former chairman rubino was out of congress for 20 years at that time and was teaching law school one day week at rutgers in new jersey. i think he was 92. i called him up and i said mr. chairman, i wanted to do -- he told me know. i won't talk to you. he said i support president clinton. you come up and parked me and -- that will give the impression that i am ok with this and i won't let that happen. i am four five months in congress. i was pretty bold. i said that is not and acceptable answer. he spent 40 years of your life as a member

i have the good fortune of serving with a very famous american, fred thompson from tennessee. he was famous before he got here as a movie actor. he served here in the senate admirably, went back to do his acting. former senator fred thompson, by the way, is a republican, urged his own party to recognize a good deal when they see it. that's what he said. i quote, "i respectfully suggest that you rake in your chips, stuff them in your pockets and go home." the proposal on the table would cut the deficit by $2.5 trilli trillion. if their goal is to rein in spending, they've already won. that's what thompson said, "if their goal is to rein in spending, they've already won. declare victory, leave." republican"republicans should kt take their chips and walk away." american writer albert hubbard said, "it is easy to get everything you want, provided you first learn to do without the things you cannot get." that's imha this is all about. "it is easy to get everything you want, provided you first learn to do without the things you cannot get." there are things that neither side can't g

as fred thompson said, the republicans have gotten what they wanted, and they should put their chipsare victory. it's really -- what we have now as our amendment is one that reduces the debt, extends the debt ceiling until march of 2013, and it's raised the number to over $2.4 trillion. so it's real compromise directed towards the republicans. so i am going to today, as i did on the floor this morning, ask my republican colleague starting with senator mcconnell to give me ideas as to what you think would improve my legislation, keeping in mind, as i said on the floor, there will be no agreement if it's a short-term extension. we will not do that. and my caucus supports that fully. right now this is the only compromise there is, obviously. obviously. what is being done in the house is not a compromise. it's being jammed through that with all kinds of nontransparent dealings, people shoveliuffling and out of the officers. we -- the republicans, i have had a number of republicans come to me, and i had one republican come and say thanks for your legislation. we had meetings with the numb

think fred thompson in 2008. thing perry will do is bring in what has not bench in this race for rough cans and that's the social sea general today issues. they have been concentrating on check issues. perry comes in and gay marriage, abortion, the litany of social issues that drive independent away will be back into the mix. bill: that lead us into our next topic. rudy giuliani was asked about this over the weekend. and a strong message toward the republicans to get out of the bedroom. here is what he said. roll this. >> i think the republican party would be well advised to get out of people's bedrooms and let things be decided by states. i think we would be a more successful conservative party. bill: he did say marriage, despite the gay marriage law was passed in new york, he believes marriage is between a man and woman. but i think it goes with his track record. this is not a deviation for giuliani, but how does it go over? >> i don't speak for the mayor but i think what he's trying to say is this is a jobs an

he has surpassed former senator fred thompson as the worst presidential campaign ever.wt take those shirts, go to el salvador, have a nice vacation with your wife because you have shot at running the most inept presidential campaign ever. >> john. >> it really is a new level amateur hour and this is not an original campaign sin. this is the thing that's sort of obvious before before you order the american flag, you make sure they're not made in china. yet another example of a disastrous presidential campaign that a guy can go from being speaker to just being irrelevant in the conversation speaks volumes. anything can happen, newt. >> he'll get the el salvador vote, though. >> there you go. if you haven't seen the movie the town, let's take a little bit here. >> i need your help. i can't tell you what it is. you can never ask me about it later. we're going to hurt some people. >> which car are we going to take? >> why are we showing you this? because ben affleck is telling republicans do not use scenes in his movie as a motivational tool. so what's 9 next tool that they

fred thompson, the former presidential candidate, just said moments ago crossing the wires, he said,a party should claim this as a victory, and they should get this deal done and get the american people out of this peril. >> well, martha, this isn't about claiming victory or not. this is about putting america back on a path toward fiscal responsibility and economic prosperity. and we can't do that. as i explain in my book, "the freedom agenda," we will not get back on that path until we adopt permanent structural binding reform, and that can happen only through a constitutional amendment because this is a problem that will affect multiple generations of americans, and it's a problem that needs to be solved through a solution that will bind multiple congresses. martha: let me ask you this, so if you stick with it, if you hang in there, right? how concerned are you about the ramifications on our debt rating, on the ramifications for americans across the country whose interest rates would go up as a result of this? >> i'm extraordinarily concerned, and that's why it's worth fighting for

fred thompson got this but you'll see a ground swell of excitement, you'll see big fundraising numbersonce the field is essentially set. this does not include sarah palin and other candidates people have been hoping or wishing for like paul ryan. there's going to be a tremendous amount of energy. some strong debate. i wonned be surprised if we have an early desighsive win. i don't think you'll see people clowning the winner after newham. the fight is on to find the most conservative person who can get reelected. the democratic polster. guest: democrats aren't fully behind. in terms of voters, democratic voters are behind this president. there's a lot he's done that sl made voters proud and happy. the country can claim these as victories capturing bin laden, getting out of iraq. healthcare, financial reform ending don't ask, don't tell. things people felt crummy about before. they are feeling good about now republicans want to win. there will be a republican party of delaware. or they will go for someone more in the middle that appeals more broadly we'll get back to the phones. in iowa

as fred thompson said, the republicans have gotten what they wanted. they should put their chips in their pocket and go home to declare victory. what we have now is our amendment, one the reduces death, extends the debt -- reduces debt and extends the debt ceiling until 2013. it is a real compromise directed toward the republicans. so today, as i did on the floor this morning, i'm good as a republican colleagues starting with senator mcconnell, to me some ideas as to what you think would improve my legislation. keeping in mind, as i said on the floor, there will be no agreements if it is a short-term extension. we're not going to do that. my caucus supports that fully. right now, this is the only compromise there is. obviously. obviously. what is being done in the house is not a compromise. it is being jammed through that with all kinds of non- transparent dealings, people shuffling in and out of the republican leadership offices. so we are recognizing the only only compromise there is is mine. we are truly a bipartisan this is a bipartisan piece of le