>> uh-huh. >> the answer is fred thompson. he declined the offer, telling john that he never liked practicing law. >> there you go. >> another question. why did sam dash insist on a private meeting with john dean on the eve of alexander butterfield's appearance before the committee? john was out of town and sam made him fly back so that they could meet right before the testimony. sam did this because, a, he thought butterfield's testimony was a setup by the white house to undercut john dean's testimony? b, he wanted to know who they could subpoena in order to protect the tapes and keep them from being destroyed, or, c, he wanted to know if john thought butterfield was a reliable witness. . >> i think the person to ask that is gene boice, who led the team when the tapes were discovered. i had no earthly idea. i didn't know sam met with him before. >> right, it is a secret john is telling for the first time. >> i was going to say. >> do you have any idea, out of the three? >> i didn't know it either and i'm a little surprised, a

was it, a., rufus, b., fred thompson, c., david dorsen or d., sam dash? guess? >> i'm going to say it was dash, although these are brilliant guys here, and i wouldn't know -- i'm going to go for sam dash. >> not rufus he had minimum sentence. >> okay. >> not david dorsen. >> you want the answer in the answer is fred thompson. he declined the offer, telling john that he never liked practicing law. >> there you go. >> another question, why did sam dash insist on a private meeting with john dean on the eve of alexander butter field's appearance before the committee? john was out of town and sam made him fly back so that they could meet right before the testimony. sam did this because, a, he thought butter field's testimony was a set up by the white house to undercut john dean's testimony, b, he wanted to know who they could subpoena in order to protect the tapes and keep them from being destroyed, or c, he wanted to know if john thought butter field was a reliable witness? >> i think gene boys, who led the team when the tapes were discovered, and i have no earthly

. >> what he's done is things like renaming a street for fred thompson. >> and reforming the va. >> he about reforming it. >> shannon: to the point of harkening back to other administrations i believe the president we had last with regard to president bush 43 numerous times up until -- it's what administrations do. katie and steven, good to see you both. >> leland: it is a solemn day if barcelona as the city marks one week since terrorists used a van to mow down innocent people. 13 people killed and more than 100 other injured and ben hall live from london. you are on the ground in barcelona. what are your sources saying on the latest on the investigation. >> well, police still piecing together how exactly these people planned the attacks and what brought them all together. but three of the suspects were in court yesterday and again one of them saying they hoped to kill many more people at least 100 if not hundreds. one of their main targets before those gas canisters ex -exploded would be the main cathedral. police have showed video with raids where the plot was planned. they raided m