not quite the right club but basically what bill kristol said was fred upton got this bill and if you like your health insurance you get to keep it and i was saying and you know. if fred upton put it forward it's probably a poison pill and bill and new are both saying that it's not a poison pill and we're going to work this out in fact we had the show by saying hey if we work it out but then today i read the bill and it's a poison pill it's it's it's you know on the other hand you've got democrats who are now running scared you know they're there because they all the publicity on this thing the news cycle has really turned against president obama especially since he apologized that some have he never should have done. so i'm not sure this is a debate of more than more than a discussion at least on this topic what part of the problem is i see if you see any do you see any possibility that the democrats and the republicans might come to some agreement on something that might modify obamacare in a way that doesn't kill it or the republicans so committed to killing it that every time they

is not quite the right club but basically what bill kristol said was fred upton got this bill and if you like your health insurance you get to keep it and i was saying and you know it fred upton put it forward it's probably a poison pill and bill and new are both saying it's not a poison pill and we're going to work this out in fact we had the show by saying hey if we work it out but then today i read the bill and it's a poison pill it's it's it's you know on the other hand you've got democrats who are now spreading scare you know they're there because they all the publicity on this thing the news cycle has really turned against president obama especially since he apologized some of that he never should have done. so i'm not sure this is a debate of more than more than a discussion at least on this topic what part of the problem is i see if you see any do you see any possibility that the democrats and the republicans might come to some agreement on something that might modify obamacare in a way that doesn't kill it or the republicans so committed to killing it that every time they of

we'll talk to congressman fred upton. his bill will be vote on that will allow to you keep your insurance and get that substandard plan. also the president will be -- the president talked about the plan if you couldn't keep it. senator barrasso will also be joining us. michele bachmann will be here. michele bachmann said what she wanted to do more than anything was repeal obamacare, and republicans have been called every name in the book officer trying to top this plan. gregg: senator brasplan.gregg -- gregg: what is the political fallout. not often you see an american presidenpresident tell the amern people his critics were right. >> everyone is focused on not doing a $good job on the rollout. and that's legitimate. there were times i thought we were slapped around unjustly, but this is deserved. it's on us. gregg: byron york joins his chief correspondents. democrats were in absolute open revolt. they were stampeding out the exit doors over this thing because they were hearing from their constituents about how ugly this

the fred upton bill goes up for vote today. an estimate of how many democrats would vote for it? we heard rich edson say 35, which adds up to a sizable democrat revolt. what say you? >> yes, yes, it does. i think that you're looking at 25 to 35. it's a number of democrats who are going to cross and vote for the bill. i mean, they're hearing from their constituents, like all the rest of us are. people are livid with the way this rollout transpired. stuart: is this fred upton bill, in my opinion, guts obamacare because it would take a whole lot of people out of the exchange system, that would mean far fewer people in the exchange insurance pools and that's not good for obamacare. i mean, that's my reading of it and yet, you've got 25, 35 democrats saying, yeah, go ahead, gut obamacare, that's extraordinary. >> you're exactly right and they're going to have a similar bill in the senate and i think they're going to get closer for it there. and stu, the thing is, the upton bill will allow those insurance companies to sell that produ

>> reporter: house democrats tried to kill the fred upton bill which upton said would keep the president'se legislation to allow millions of americans to keep their policys. what democrats don't like it allows the insurance companies to continue to sell themmine if they don't meet obama care standards. nancy pelosi said earlier she was concerned it was like unravelling the sweater and urging members to vote no. it is a tense week for democrats here on capitol hill this week. they have had closed door meetings and begging the white house for a solution. they stuck their necks out and they are hearing from constituents and that it is a mess that they are losing their health care they like. the president offered an administrative fix and this is a legislative fix. the law makers don't like the white house going around congress to fix a law and all eyes will be watching to see what the democrats follow leadership nancy pelosi and the white house or they will go along with fred upton saying my constitiens want a legislative fix and this bill available to me i will vote yea on this one. >> does

i mentioned the fred upton bill.ed upton is a republican congressman from michigan who proposed this, fred upton, republican congressman from michigan in a bill scheduled to be voted on and probably passed by the republican house tomorrow will allow people to keep their plans for one more year. so if it's a sinister plot by obama to protect democrats on 2014, republicans are in on that plot. >> is that true, sean? >> the difference is when you do it legislatively, correctly and by the constitution, all of those numbers have to take a vote and realizes what the president is potentially about to do because you're right, we don't know the details of what he's going put out would basically ensure that he he doesn't have to take the key votes and he would take cover by doing it unilaterally which is not constitutional. that's the difference. >> it's allowing them not to have to take those key votes that put them at odds with not only their words, but their previous votes that said obama care is the way to go. now they act

the white house has planned to veto the fred upton bill.hile the insurance companies themselves are warning any tinkering with the healthcare law this close to the new year could result with price likes all around. >> let's take that up a bit more. joining us to discussion the issues with the new healthcare law is senior fellow with the manhattan institute a conservative think tank. let's work through some of these issues. the house bill that was passed, as you know, would i an allow those who have had their insurance policies canceled would allow them to keep them but it would allow non-complying policies outside of the exchanges. is the president right in calling this bill in its totality sabotage? >> well, sabotage is a strong word. i think the point that representative upton and the people supporting this bill are making is let's have a competition. let's have a choice. if it's true that the affordable care act is going to result in plans and help in insurance coverage that is more affordable, and higher quality plans which existed in t

. >> fred upton has a bell coming on f in the crossfire tonight, democratic -- and republican representative james langford. let me start, california's about 37,000 people signed up for the california web side. but yesterday the commissioners of insurance indicated that a million californians are receiving notices that their insurance is terminated. doesn't it concern you -- >> certainly i'm glad i'm a california. in california we definitely adopted obama care. let's make this work. we have an insurance commissioner. i actually went into covered california. get what, it's just a dollar different than what i would get in california, unfortunately i'm being forced into d.c.'s exchange, when i didn't know, but that's what obm, or whoever the personnel office decided for us. by the way, the aca, the obama care law actually grandfathered people like that to be able to keep them. it didn't grandfather what companies could charge you for that policy. in the last three years i've seen the policies try to do 34% increases a years, 43% increases, 23% increases per year. i was the first one to sent a l

. >> except that fred upton fundamentally opposes obama care. >> what about the piece of legislation that -- >> it almost doesn't -- >> are you for that? -- >> the point is, president clinton has said we should change, deck dick durbin says i should change. medicare came out, it has been changed hundreds of times. >> did people millions of people lose something with medicare? >> they lost their freedom. >> are you in favor for this for people who have had their insurance canceled? >> canceled? you're talking about the 5% of the market. >> are you interested in helping those 5%? >> those aren't cancellations. those are bad product recalls. it's like cars they discovered the master cylinder doesn't work, being recalled and replaced. >> you seriously think all those plans that have within canceled -- >> yes. >> democratic states approved these plans. >> if it wasn't fred upton. if it was coming out of a democrat and they were saying let's tweak this bill, i would be for it. >> many democrats are going to vote for this. >> if they do, then it will be a really -- >> your standard is, if a

and this guy like fred upton, he just had delivered to his office michigan i, 91 bags of apples grown by a local farmer. the local farmer pleading with fred upton, to please support immigration reform because he sees it as key to his farm. if you're making a prediction about that, it may help you toe no about fred upton that he is the inheriter of the whirlpool portion. his grandfather founded whirlpool, you know like washer dries and stuff. that's kind of the biographical for for lots and lots of members of congress. members of congress you like, and members of congress you don't like. jim sensening brenner turned up a real story about whether there's any hope in save -- jim sensenbrenner may be the best hope that there is for any republican leadership on reinstating the bones of the voting rilings act, after the supreme court tore it down this summer. >>> also, jim sensenbrenner's great grandfather invented kotex. behind all these members of congress, behind more of them that you would think, that's kind of the story of congress, democratic senate and house, members of congress you

so that means why vote for fred upton's bill, for any bills, mr. president, you made this bed, now you've got to sleep in it. >> i agree with john and gavin who had said that the announcement is more about political coverage than insurance coverage. i think the american people will see through that. in a poll this week, americans two to one say this law will make their personality health care experience worse. yes, i think it's time for republicans to come out and say we need to repeal the law in its entirety. they have been saying that. they have been criticized for taking 40 votes that will repeal the law but those are 40 democrats that missed the opportunity to change this outcome. >> you guys are all going to stay, bob, hadley, robert. i'm going to talk about adverse connection and i see a financial imbalance that could bring down this entire insurance plan. >>> coming up, speaker john boehner says we've got to scrap obama care. we will talk to two top republicans about what kind of alternatives are possible. janet yellen makes no bones about i

law to make it work better can you name one republican who's interested in making it work better fred upton is the judge's legislation that the house will vote on friday which will improve the situation of those people who have been damaged by this law it won't fix it because it's unfixable but it will patch the hole in the roof and that it gives us more time to repair the foundations or frankly to build new foundations for a better health care system of the country and it go ahead tom but i accept that fred fred upton fundamentally opposes obamacare is a natural one is what about the because legislatures are just provided. no matter what it is that is this is this extraordinary sturm and drang you know this all you know the president clinton has said we should change dick durbin says we should change you know social security came out nine hundred thirty five it's been amended hundreds of times what's their latest strategy though is tailgating a group funded by the koch brothers is sponsoring tailgate parties at college for college football games they give away pizza bear misinformation dis

fred upton is here where the bill goes from here. what a switch from the epa, making a big move with ethanol that might save you a lot of money. and yet another record high for the dow industrials. that's number 38 this year if you're counting at home. but is this run starting to run on empty? all that next as "the kudlow report" starts right now. >>> happy friday wherever you are. i'm brian sullivan in for larry and this is "the kudlow report". we're live here 7:00 eastern, 4:00 pacific. let's get right to it. the obama care administrative fix announced yesterday gives the green light to insure towers let people keep the health plans they like. it also let's the president stay true to his promise. >> the bottom line is insurers can extend current plans that would otherwise be cancelled into 2014 and americans whose plans have been cancelled can choose to re-enroll in the same kind of plan. >> here's the problem. it puts the insurers who spent years preparing for the obama care roll out in a tough spot. if they attempt reinstating mi

261-157 vote including 39 democrats supporting it, the house passed energy and commerce chairman fred upton's keep your health care act. >> our straightforward one-page bill says if you like your current coverage, you should be able to keep it. the president should heed his own advice and work with us, the congress, as the founders intended, not around the legislative process. >> reporter: in july only 22 democrats voted to delay the individual mandate. and 35 supported delaying the employer mandate. this time democratic leadership hoping to stop members from voting for the upton measure made several attempts at trying to defeat the bill. they expressed concern this was another attempt by the gop to kill obama care. >> this is a shell bill. in the end just let me say my friends should have some credibility. you introduce the 102 bills, you never put one of them on the floor for a vote. so don't pretend that you care about the american people's health care here. you're just trying to repeal the affordable care act. democrats are not going to let you do that. >> reporter: it's been a tense week

proposed by congressman fred upton of michigan.hat is is anything but. >> is there no doubt our failure to roll out the aca smoothly has put a burden on democrats, whether they are running or not. my commitment to them is we are going to just keep on doing better every day until we get it done. >> joining us now is democratic congressman barbara lee of california. good afternoon, ma'am. >> pleased to be with you, martin. >> thank you. can i play you something that the president said moments ago in cleveland about ohio's republican governor who accepted expanded medicaid funding? take a listen to. >> if every republican governor did what kasich did here, rather than play politics about it, you'd have another 5.4 million americans who could get access to health care next year, regardless of what happens with the website. that's their decision not to it, and it's the wrong decision. >> can i ask you, when did you first become aware that speaker boehner and house republicans were so concerned about that 5% on the individual market? bec

republican senator fred upton's bill would let insurers keep selling plans that obamacare would otherwise ban. he is a congressman. i called him a senator, the president of course threatening to veto that bill. some house democrats are saying it is not a viable solution. here is minority leader nancy pelosi. >> fact is for al fuss and all the muss everybody said how the upton bill would -- it does not mandate that insurance companies must keep those people in their? their insurance policies. it is only masquerade and trojan horse coming in to undermined the affordable care act. jon: let's see if there are any trojan horses storming the white hose gates right now. senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler is on the north lawn. wendell? >> reporter: no trojan horses but installing a rather large tree in back of me but you may hear noise from that. part of the reason folks here don't like the house plan because it let companies on individual insurance market at that sell policies with lifetime limits and coverage carveouts to anyone, not just people who have them now. th

stuart: congressman upton, i can't call you fred. >> that's what it is. stuart: i can't do that. to have you with us, sir. chairman, thank you very much. >> thank you, my man. stuart: please see us again. >> i will. stuart: liz, will you comment on this dreadful story of the lady with cancer? >> there are cancer patients losing their doctors, there are cancer patients not able to keep the insurance they wanted. and this woman has said that the insurers are pulling out of the state of california possibly due to high regulatory interference and the insurance market in california. we're going into the holiday season right now where middle class families will be sitting around the dinner table and now talking about the health care problems that they are now facing. that is such bad news for the administration. and across the board. now, not just that you can't keep your doctor, you can't get the right-- the argument was we should be able to get the insurance across the state lines. now you can't get a doctors across county lines in your own state. now, that's a huge problem. stuart:

service, we have compiled this question and answer reel, with the author of that bill, congressman fred uptonmichigan, so that he can correct anyone who thinks somewhat falsely this bill does what it says it does. >> the upton plan would allow people to keep the health plans they like. >> the gentleman needs to read our bill. it doesn't say that the insurance companies must sell those policies. >> we allow people to keep the insurance they used to have. >> it doesn't mandate the health insurance policy has to be granted again. >> joining us now is sally cohen, an activist and columnist with "the daily beast" and salon.com. michael steele, who, of course, is an msnbc analyst and former rnc chair. and in new york is jonathan alter, msnbc analyst and author. jonathan, let's just make this clear. the upton vote today was basically the 47th attempt to repeopr repeal the affordable care act. >> absolutely. it guts the bill, effectively. it pulls a thread on it, and the whole thing unravels, if it were to be passed, and signed by the president, which, of course, it won't be. >> he has announced he w

it's called the keep your health care plan act sponsored by republican fred upton. it would allow insurance companies to continue to sell plans regardless of new minimum standards, but some democrats say his plan will gut the health care law. here was congressman upton just minutes ago. >> at one point earlier in this week it looked like we were going to get 100 democratic votes, and that's when the president decided to actually do something. so he was content for this broken promise to continue to have legs. >> the hill is already out with the names of five democrats that it expects to stand shoulder to shoulder with republicans. and the white house is already firing a warning shot saying that the bill is sabotage and vowing a veto. now, the president is fighting to keep his democratic rank in file marching in lock step, one day after a spormea culpa to hin party. >> i think it's legitimate for them to expect me to have to win back some credibility on this health care law in particular and on a whole range of these issues in general. and, you know, that's on me. i

do you think this vote will pass in the house tomorrow, the fred upton proposal? i think it will pass in the house. i don't know whether it will be considered in the senate. i have my doubts about that. i have tend to think this law is going to continue to have more problems as people, you know, try to engage and get on. and i think the backlash is going to continue into 2014. martha: boy, that is going to leave a lot of people really uneasy. this story is not going anywhere. look forward to hearing what comes out of your hearing today. thank you very much for being with us congressman pitts. >> thank you, martha. gregg: a stunning new report on government waste. how the tsa is spending your tax dollars on a program that's about as low-tech as they come. martha: plus, meet the new student at this school. this deer apparently really wants to go to this class and wants to get there on time. >> this is the third one we've had. for some reason this time of the year, i guess they need to get education, so that is why they're coming here. i got this. [thinking] is it th

congressman fred upton is here to tell you next. on is here to tell you next. >>> president obama announcing his administrative fix and fred upton calling for the president to work with them, not away them. he joins us. good evening, sir. >> how are you? >> very well. so does the president have the authority to do this administrative fix and how is your bill tomorrow different from what the president proposed to do today? >> well, a couple things. we do think he needs a law to change it. we want to send a signal as quickly as we can particularly as most of us, all of us came back from our districts from a week of listening to angry constituents who had gotten the letter saying their individual policy had been canceled. our bill is a little bit different than what he's done. hey, i confess that i oppose obama care. i thought the president's health care bill was a lousy one. but what we ought to be doing is allowing folks to keep their plan as the president said from the very beginning. and that's what we do. and we allow -- if a plan

the bill today, fred upton the republican bill says the same thing except one thing allow people who weren't cancelled who weren't part of that group they could buy into it if it's offered. >> that's right. >> the president said he would veto it why does he care? >> it's not just a one year fix because the whole -- the thing is that the fix that the president put forward yesterday actually could hurt the law. probably will hurt the law. because the whole idea of these substandard policies they have to be phased out to make the financing of obamacare work going forward. get away with it one year. their concern is if you do over a longer period of time the reforms don't make any sense. >> i can't figure out why the insurance companies would resurrect policies. under the new scheme they sell you a then brew buy a lot of things you don't need. overbuy. like buying a camera that you don't know how to work it but you pay all the money to buy all the other stuff you can't use. go back to reissuing the other policies they are more refined and cheaper. what's the incentive for the insurance c

. >> that congressman, the republican fred upton, sponsored a bill to let anybody buying insurance that doesn't meet obamacare's requirements, even people who don't have such plans. the house passed the measure this afternoon. the white house vows to veto the bill calling it an effort to sabotage all of obamacare. let's get started with the fox business network's peter barnes who is live on the north lawn. with whom is the president meeting this afternoon? >> reporter: shep, about a dozen or so of these health insurance executives arrived here about 20 minutes ago, entering the west wing, and they represent companies including it narks humana, the tufts health care plan, which is big in new england, the florida blue cross blue shield and other blue cross blue shields around the cub -- country and they're arriving with a warning to the president that the change he anyway announced yesterday could lead to higher premiums for some could destabilize the el healthcare market because all the plans the companies made is out to the window. >> how are insurance companies handling this. >> here's

what we're seeing in the bill from fred upton, republican from blue cross blue shield -- i'm sorry, michigan. you've now taken an entire debate about 40, 50 million people not having insurance and finding a way to get them covered. we have zeroed it down whether 1.5 people can continue to purchase high deductible insurance. freedom and democracy and everything else all rides whether blue cross blue shield, humana can continue to sell highly profitable known as single issue insurance with super high deductibles, super low cost and extreme limits on what can you do with it. that's what we're arkiguing abo. >> the policy itself and whether or not it has a tangible effect. if i'm an insurance company, i'm not one but i do play one on television. the president is allowing us to sell crappy plans. we've done months of work. we're not going to give the option. if i'm state insurance commissioner, it's not worth the headache. >> some talk off the error, put out statements. it will take a long time to go back to regulators and approve the plans they scrapped. i don't think there's legal questions abo

fred upton is the author, and the president has called for letting people stay on their insurance plan through next year, and in other words, del, insurance companies can keep selling policies that don't meet the requirements of obamacare. what upton would do, it goes farther, it would allow new customers to buy these old plans, and the white house said that defeats the whole point of the healthcare law. people could be buying plans that don't include things like maternity coverage, and charging for preexisting conditions, and that's why they said it's a no-go. nancy pelosi spoke this morning on the floor and said this claims to be a helpful proposal but she said it's not. >> that idea that it was helping consumers was sort of the trojan horse's underbelly. it's poisonous, in terms of the health and well-being of the american people. >> reporter: yesterday, house speaker, john boehner, said that he still wants to scrap the healthcare law, and speaker pelosi and others say that the upton bill is trying to. >> there's a sense that the white house doesn't fix anything either, so where do

later today, the house will vote on a bill sponsored by congressman fred upton that would allow americans to keep existing coverage through 2014. the bill allows insurance companies to offer their pre-obama plans. the white house is hoping to ei veto the plan. the president introduced his own solution. a one-year temporary fix to allow people to keep their canceled plans. the new york times says the move will limit democratic support for the bill to just two dozen congressmen. the president spoke about how the rollout hads hurt democrats, including his own presidency. >> there is no doubt that our failure to roll out the a.c.a. smoothly has put a burden on democrats. i feel deeply responsible for making it harder for them rather than easier for them. to continue to -- promote the core values that head them to support this thing in the first place. people look at what's taking place in washington, and they say enough is getting done that helps me with my life. and, you know, regardless of what congress does, ultimately, i'm the president of the united states. they expect me to do something

he is not going to subscribe to the plan that would come from fred upton, the republican and will go to a house vote as you point out earlier, jon, tomorrow, friday, that would allow the insurance companies to sell plans that have been canceled to new people. that would totally undermine obamacare t would take away necessary money, subsidies, that would have to go into the program to in order to support the subsidies that are going to go to people who currently don't have insurance. jon: all right. jonah, can you make some sense of all that for me? >> sure. i think juan is essentially right. what obama is going to try and do, first of all what i think he is going to say, to hell with this, i'm going to disney world. he is having a bad couple weeks here. basically what they're trying to do, they're trying to give democrats some kind of lifeline so that they don't actually have to vote to truly gut obamacare. if either of the upton or the landrieu bills pass, it would essentially spell the end of the obamacare exchanges which is heart of the entire legislation because, what it would sa

let's say fred upton passes the house and mary landrieu passes the senate. at least one of those is a gigantic if. those are two bills. it ends up whether this is just posturing where everybody wants to get on the record hey, huge problem caused by the president and i voted for x. i voted for x. whether that gets merged into any legislation is another question. >> word coming out of the meeting is that most are content with what the president has suggested as a fix. there's something the president said in his news conference today that explained why the politics of this is always incredibly difficult. he said when you legislate in the health care area, you then own all the problems in the health care area. let's listen to how he put it. look one thing that i understood, one reason it hasn't been done and it's very difficult to do is that anything that's going on that's tough in a health care market, if you initiated a reform, can be attributed to your law. and so what we want to do is to be able to say to these folks, you know what? the affordable care act i

will the democrats be united in their opposition to the fred upton bill today in the house? in politics are really totally united, but i think the vast majority will vote against upton. we will have a motion to recommit and i think the vast majority of democrats will vote for it. the reason is that the status quo was not working. as i said so many tens of millions had no insurance. millions of people are having insurance policies that did not cover their needs and could be ended by the insurance companies if they so desired, if there was a pre-existing condition. people who have pre-existing conditions who could not get coverage or whose coverage was canceled and it was heartbreaking to hear the stories. msemember a woman who had and to then had a chronic disease in addition to that enter policy was canceled and she had no place to turn. now people will have a place to turn. host: politically, have the democrats been hurt by what has been going on with the aca website and the announcement the president made yesterday? yes.: the important thing is not the politics of it. i thi

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chambers will also vote on the keep your health plan absent of 2013 put forward by michigan republican fred upton with a straight face. it would allow americans to keep existing health coverage through 2013 while allowing new consumers to purchase the same substandard plans. writing in the new public jonathan cohn explains exactly why the upton bill is a terrible idea. primary goal of the aca is to change insurance company practices, they will no longer charge higher prices, deny benefits or coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions. another goal is to eliminate the sale of insurance policies that lead people exposed to passive bills they could never afford. the upton bill would undercut both efforts. in short the upton bill is a not thinly disguised effort to repeal affordable care act. the white house sees things the same way and has threatened to veto the bill should it pass both chambers. either way debate indicated that the fight is far from over. >> if you want to go back to a system where insurance companies could turn people away because they are sick, by all means vote for

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meanwhile the house about to vote on a bill sponsored by republican fred upton of michigan, which wouldmericans to keep their current health insurance plans. although it features things similar to the white house fix, democrats say it takes takes steps toward dismantling the law. the president says if it passes he's going to veto it. >> while the politicians wrangle over fixes, patients of course, still caught in the middle, the people who actually need coverage. elizabeth cohen is here for us and will break it down for us. the president's decision yesterday to let people keep their current plans, how many people does that affect abbott? >> if you look at it as a portion of the american public, it's a relatively small percentage. so only about 5% of people are directly affected by what the president did yesterday. only 5% of americans buy insurance on their own through what's caused the individual market. when you do the math, that's about 11 million people. it's a relatively small percentage of the american people. >> so this fix, how does this actually impact them? it must be very con

you're among the 39 democrats who voted for friday's republican-backed bill by fred upton. meanwhile, were got the national journal coming out saying at aca obama care is a bill you that voted for, and now it's on life support. we have democratic colleagues saying that the bill guts the aca by allowing to sign up for inferior plans. what was your motivation going the way you went? voting for the other 39 democrats? is this strictly out of self-preservation? >> no, not at all. i said in 2010 when i was voting for the health care law, i went there to do what was right for my constituents. and i didn't think to the congressman about this, but in my particular instance, i looked at this as -- it's not on life support -- as i do, about all of the help that it's provided for americans of all ages, and people now have access to health care. but you know, there are some problems with it. and in new hampshire, we did not have the website up. >> right. >> and so there's nothing to compare. and you have the policy. the other problem is, we only have one insurance company. and they cre

it sounds to me an awful lot like what house republicans have offered up, led by congressman fred upton. the only difference being outsiders could also opt in. so help us understand the difference. >> right. there are two key differences between what the president laid out today and what house republicans, including fred upton, who's a republican from michigan, have been putting forward. the president east plan is only for one year. it says that plans can be extended just through 2014 whereas the republican house bill would allow these plans to be extended indefinitely. the president's plan only applies to people who are already on these kinds of coverage, whereas congressman upton would allow new people to buy into these old plans that don't meet the new requirements under obama care. the president's proposal is a lot more limited. and there's something to what the white house is saying about how, yes, this will have impacts on the insurance market. there are good reasons why insurers are displeased about it. but the effects are likely to be fairly limited over the long term, partly be

in the vote that is coming surely fred upton's thing would basically unravel obamacare because of whaties being cancelled to new folks. what you see from the president and mary landrieu is simply keeps in place in terms -- cheryl: what we are hearing from the insurance companies and the american people and the president, if the young americans don't sign of for the exchanges to keep their old plan that that's the law. whether it is the law or not it is over. >> because you don't have the subsidies, don't have the financing for the subsidies and what you need for people who don't have insurance or been underinsured because of problems with their health you need someone to pay who is healthy in order to pay the tab for those who are not healthy and once that is out of balance you are in trouble which is why these insurance companies this very day said the president ran over them yesterday when he changed the deal. he is taking healthy people out of the market. gerri: you think the strategy is working? do you think he's handling this the right way? there could have been another way to go

. >> reporter: the bill sponsored by michigan republican fred upton passed mostly along party lines. it goes further than the president's fix, allowing insurance companies to sell plans to consumers, not previously covered. democrats say that the bill is designed to destroy the federal health care exchanges. >> now they're trying to do so with a trojan horse that they call the upton bill. >> there is not enough time to resubmit the canceled policies before the affordable care act on december 15's deadline. >> a logistical nightmare. politically the president is doing nothing more than throwing the hot potato over the cancellation. >> the health officials from both washington state and arkansas have said they will not allow health care providers to offer canceled plans to consumers. for cbs news, the white house. >> a total of 39 house democrats broke ranks with the white house and voted for the bill to allow consumers to keep their current health care plans. >>> the state branch of the affordable care act will be on hand today to answer their question about health care reform. it's a

later today, the house will vote on a bill sponsored by congressman fred upton that would allow americansthrough 2014. the bill