and the former congressman fred upton and joins us now, congressman, good to see as always, we appreciate it why did you make this decision well, look it's a mess in washington. >> let's face it, we're going to have to work together on a whole number of different issues. and rather than veering off to the right, the maga right. i'm convinced that the harris a harris administration can in fact work okay with republicans as well as democrats. so she's indicated that she's going to have republicans in her administration, including in the cabinet. i talked to ray lahood today. he's of course a former republican member of congress, was president obama's the secretary of transportation, did an outstanding job and the way they were going to solve these issues, whether it be immigration, the economy, gas prices, you got to work together. we're going to have a very closely divided congress. and you can't just go off the deep end to the right. harris, i think can it can be a little bit of the glue to bring people together and move it, move the country forward. the debt ceiling, i mean, all those di

joining me now is former michigan republican congressman fred upton.d vice president harris last week. good to see you. thank you very much. >> happy birthday, girl. >> thank you. arnold schwarzenegger, a big democratic state, but he has been someone who could make up his own mind about a lot of things. do you think he would have impact on male voters who, he is the famous star body builder from years past, do you think that might have an impact on some of the men who seem to be reluctant, according to the gender gap, to vote for a woman? >> i hope so. michigan, where i am, it's always been a purple state. what makes it purple is the area that jerry ford used to represent when he was in congress. my district, kalamazoo, battle creek, oakland county, a suburb of detroit. susan ford, myself, joe schwartz, former republican colleague who represented battle creek and was mayor of battle creek, and dan trott who represented oakland county, we have endorsed harris. more than 30 former republican members of congress, including the former head of the national

>> but two leaders in the republican party, the mayor of wakesha and of course, former senator fred uptoninues to be, i think, evidence of the fact that people who have been leaders regardless of their political party understand what's at stake, and they are weighing, courageously in many cases, in support of what we need to have, which is a president of the united states who understands the obligation to uphold the constitution of the united states and our democracy. as for last night, yet again, trump not showing up, refused to be a part of a cnn debate, and clearly his staff has been saying he's exhausted, and the sad part about that is he's trying to be president of the united states. it's probably the toughest job in the world and he's exhausted. i said last night what i mean, which is the american people are being presented with a very serious decision, and it includes what we must understand will happen starting on january 20th in this choice. either you have the choice of a donald trump who will sit in the oval office, stewing, plotting revenge, retribution, writing out his enemie

let me say am proud to have some endorsements, the leader of waukesha and former representative fred uptoneen leaders in our country are godless of their political party understand what's at stake, and they are weighing in, courageously in many cases, in support of what we need to have, which is a president of the united states who understands the obligation to uphold the constitution of the united states and our democracy. as for last night, yet again, trump not showing up, refuse to be a part of a cnn debate and clearly his staff has been saying he's exhausted and the sad part about that is, he's trying to be president of the united states, probably the toughest job in the world and he's exhausted. i said last night what i mean, which is the american people are being presented with a very serious decision, and it includes what we must understand will happen, starting onjerry 20th, in this choice. eitheryou starting onjerry 20th, in this choice. either you have the choice. either you have the choice of donald trump, will sit in the oval office, stooping, plotting revenge, retribution, wri

mayor has endorsed kamala harris, the other is a republican, former congressman from michigan, fred upton, who joins us now, live in studio. you voted for trump in 2020, but you've already cast your ballot for harris. this is the first time you've ever voted for a democrat for president. >> it is the first time i ever voted for democrat for president. >> so i mean, i've slept my take it off at times, but never for president for the nominee, but washington mess, you know that better than anybody else. >> the only way you're going to be able to govern in the next couple of years, this next administration is if you're working together, it's going to be a close margin in the senate sentence going to flip in my view, house is going to be really close, razor thin couple of votes you can't, you can't get anything done unless you work on both sides harris, she's going to have republicans in administration, including in the cabinet. i thought she did fine last night. i watched your reviews as well, but i thought she did fine. i mean, she talked about immigration bill that she would sign. no, she's

the republican party already, the mayor of rocca shaw and then of course former representative fred upton. >> and this continues to be i think evidence of the fact that people people who had been leaders in our country, regardless of their political party, understand what's at stake and they are weighing in courageously in many cases, in support what we need to have, which is oppressing united states who understands the obligation to uphold the constitution of the united states. and our democracy as for last night, yet again, trump not showing up refuse to be a part of a cnn debate and clearly his staff that has been saying he's exhausted and the sad part about that as he's trying to be present, united states probably the toughest job in the world. and he's exhausted i said last night, what i mean, which is the american people are being presented with a very serious decision and it includes what we must understand, what happened starting on january 20 in this choice, either you have the choice of donald trump will sit in the oval office stewing, plotting revenge, retribution in writing ou

support, with endorsements from the mayor of waukesha, wisconsin, and former michigan congressman fred uptond time again, he's shown that he's completely unfit to serve as commander in chief. >> reporter: in addition to stumping with former president barack obama here tonight, the vice president will also campaign with his wife, former first lady michelle obama, this weekend in michigan. the former first lady will also be here in atlanta next week. norah? >> norah: the final sprint to the end. nikole killion, thank you so much. now to donald trump's campaign. the former president is attacking the justice department, saying that independent prosecutor who was assigned to him and investigate him should be thrown out of the country. special counsel jack smith is leading the two federal criminal cases against trump as the former president touts the supreme court's immunity ruling that's shielded him and his actions. cbs's caitlin huey-burns reports tonight from tempe, arizona, where trump is rallying tonight. >> reporter: if elected, former president donald trump pledged to immediately fire spec

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[cheering] a special thank you to former republican congressman fred upton. [cheering] was represented kalamazoo for decades and endorse our campaign because as he put it, ours is the team that will bring people together, strengthen our economy and get things done for the american people. [cheering] you all know before i was vice president, i was a united states under and before that, i know you want to say kamala is due i heard you. [laughter] okay, we got that out of the way. [laughter] before i was vice president and before that, i was a two-term attorney general of california and before that, district attorney and before that, courtroom prosecutor. [cheering] in those roles, i took on perpetrators of all kinds. predators fraudsters and repeat offenders. i took them on and i want. [cheering] in ten days, it's donald trump's turn. [cheering] we've got just ten days left. i hear you chant but we are going to handle november. [cheering] we've got ten days left in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. voting has already started. [cheering] e

i want to give a special thank you to former republican congressman fred upton. who represented kalamazoo for decades. we will strengthen our economy and get things done for the american people. so listen, you know before i was vice president, i was the united states sentence. i know you want to say kamala- zoo. i heard you. [ laughter ] okay, all right, we got that out of the way. so listen, before i was vice president and before that i was a two-term attorney general of california. senator, two-term attorney general of california. before that, a district attorney. and before that, a courtroom prosecutor. and in those roles i took on perpetrators of all kinds. predators, fraudsters. repeat offenders. i took them on and i won. well, michigan, in ten days it's donald trump's turn! yep. so listen. we have just ten days left. well you know, i hear your chant, but just listen, the court's going to handle that. we're going to handle november. so look, we have just ten days left in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. as you know, voting has already

i thank you to former for republican congressman fred upton decades cades and has endorsed our campaign because as he put it, ours is the team that will bring people together, strengthen our economy, and get things done for the american people know before i was vice president, i was the united states senator and before that, i was i know you want to say kamala's zoo. i heard president and before that i was a two term attorney general of california was centered in a two term attorney general california. >> and before that, a district attorney and before that, a courtroom prosecutor perpetrators of all kinds creditors fraudsters and repeat offenders. i took them on and i won trump's days left what, you know. i hearing a chat but listen. the courts are gonna handle that. we're gonna handle november left in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime, as you all know, voting has already started is going to be a tight race till the very end. so we have a lot of work to do. but we like hard work hard work is good work hard bargain joyful work and make no mistake we will win would

. >> two leaders in the republican party, the mayor of waukesha and fred upton. and this continues to be, i think, evidence of the fact that people who have been leaders in our country, regardless of the political party, understand what is at stake. and they are weighing in, courageously, in many cases, in support of what we need to have, which is a president of the united states who understands the obligation of upholding the constitution of the united states and our democracy. >> she is using the facetime to seize the narrative, that donald trump is an existential danger, a fascist. john kelly is putting out a 911 call to the american people. understand what can happen if donald trump is back in the white house. also, quote, he wants unchecked power. quote, he has contempt for the constitution of the united states. quote, he wants a military that is loyal to him. quote, he is going to sit there, unstable, unhinged, plotting his revenge. retribution, creating an enemies list. quote, let's be clear about who he considers to be the enemy from within. anyone who re

. >> we've seen more and more republicans endorse harris, including former michigan congressman fred uptonump unfit to serve. also mayor sean riley in a red county. liz cheney who's already campaigned with harris now set to go on the trail with democratic nominee alyssa slotkin. how impactful are these endorsements? >> reporter: there's two fold in why they matter. i wouldn't say on their own they'll shift votes. it sends a signal to independent voters who don't like either party, here's a candidate, the vice president, who's willing to work with both sides and both sides are supporting her. that's a good signal for independent voters to hear who don't like either party. the other thing is this builds momentum on the vice president's behave and my view in this race, at this point, is whoever motivates their voters the best is going to win this race. that's why i have a view that she's ahead and is likely to win because her voters right now are more motivated than his voters. we have ten days left. these kind of things help with motivation. >> and the voting has begun. we're now getting a l

that's fred upton territory, former long time republican to the house, and bringing them the star quality bringing that bridge to republican voters on the ground in early vote michigan which starts today. griff: does indeed. joe rogan, a big sit-down and a lot of people wanted him to do it reaching for the largely young, male audience. three hours, i think, there was no stone left unturned, probably. i haven't listened to the whole thing. but what does that do for trump? >> i think it reaches out to a voting bloc that's oftentimes not well-represented at the polls. to put joe rogan's audience into perspective, if it was on prime time television, it would be the second highest rated show per week only behind sunday night football. that's the numbers he gets, about 16 million subscribers. so, i think it's massive. it's actually with donald trump being the star, reaching to his viewers, whereas you've got beyonce on the other side. unless she's cutting checks to people affecting gas and grocery, i don't see. griff: is beyonce preaching to the choir and trump is doing more outreach? look, it'

. >> two leaders in the republican party, the mayor of waukesha and fred upton. of the fact that people who have been leaders in our country, regardless of the political party, understand what is at stake. and tre

i want to give a special thank you to former republican congressman fred upton. represented kalamazoo for decades and has endorsed our campaign because as he put it, ours is the team that will bring people together, strengthen our economy, and get things done for the american people. [applause] so, kalamazoo, listen, you all know before i was vice president, i was a united states senator. before that -- i know you want to say kamala's -- i heard you. [applause] ok, all right, ok, we've got that out of the way. ok. so, listen, before i was vice president and before that i was a two-term attorney general of california. before that, a district attorney. and before that, a courtroom prosecutor. and in those roles, i took on perpetrators of all kinds. creditors -- predators, fraudsters, and repeat offenders. i took them on and i won. well, michigan, in 10 days, it's donald trump's turn. [applause] yep, yep. so, listen, we've got just 10 days left. you know, i hear your chant, but listen, the courts will handle that. we will handle november, ok? so, look, we've got jus

congressman fred upton, coming out and saying i've never voted for a democrat in my life, but this ise to do now. and then the other closing message is for the rank-and-file democrats, for people more like me, that is went to be about reproductive rights, cost-of-living, talking about that medicare proposal to expand coverage for people at home. aging people, protecting health care, building housing, et cetera. >> dana: jessica gave it a shot for framing and the best possible way kamala's -- >> greg: but the argument is trump is a fascist. he is hitler. that's the argument. that's all you here every day. that was the big dump. so i repeat the question that i ask i don't how many months ago. if you believe that trump is a danger to america, a true and literal fascist, don't you have the responsibility to stop him at all cost? which includes rigging an election. yes or no. it's the perfect question. right? if you believe he is hitler, you are a coward for not doing everything you can to stop hitler. unless you don't mean it. then you are a liar. >> jessica: like j.d. vance? >> greg: is

fred upton who represented michigan for three decades told the detroit news he would be backing hered said trump is quote, totally unhinged. former illinois congressman adam kinzinger endorsed harris as well saying the democratic national convention that donald trump is quote, suffocating the soul of the republican party. alberto gonzales who served as attorney general in george w. bush's administration backed harris in an op-ed in politico last month where he also called trump, perhaps the most serious threat to the rule of law in a generation, end quote. former republican senator jeff flake of arizona joined me on the show last weekend and told me he would be voting for harris and hoped his party would quote move on from trump. 17 former staff members of the late republican president ronald reagan are endorsing harris and said in a joint statement that if reagan were alive, he would have supported harris. more than 200 republicans who work for president george w. bush, utah senator romney, or late senator john mccain have endorsed vice president kamala harris. last month more than

and i think that's why people like former congressman fred upton who was a dyed in the wool republicaner head of the michigan republican party, rusty hills. there's a lot of great people that are republicans who are coming over because they recognize how important this moment is. and there's a seat at the table for everyone. >> there is a growing latino population in michigan. approximately 6% i think. do you think the racist comments that have caught fire from the madison square garden rally will move the needle at all? >> i've got to tell you, i think one of the more distressing things is to watch the trump campaign just vilify fellow americans. how they denigrated puerto rico. but this comes from the top. president trump was here in detroit, michigan talking to leaders in detroit, just absolutely denigrating the city of detroit. and in the days that followed we saw a huge increase in absentee voters turning their ballots in. so yeah, i do think that it can make an impact. we need a leader who can bring us together, who can see the good in all of us and can put us on a path where eve

. >> marc lotter and former republican congressman from michigan, fred upton. great to see you guys. thanks for being here. mark from a communication standpoint, as john put it earlier, donald trump's message about protecting women it does not seem to give women much choice in much of a choice in that matter what do you think of that? well, it depends on the context and i'm looking at what he's talking about immigration when he's talking about public safety crime, whether you voted for him going to take that action to make our families, our communities people, women, all safer because of it, even if you didn't vote for him, that's that's the way i read that. >> you would have said it differently though well, i mean, obviously president trump has his own style and i it's easy to take these things and but i think as we, as we keep looking forward, we've got to understand that he's talking in the broader context. if the broader context, fred, it's the listen to that. what do we save for so long in 2016, don't listen to the words, listened to, you know, don't take

let's talk about fred upton. he's a man, you know, well, he's talking about those issues. david axelrod said her answers at the town hall were a bunch of word salad and non-answers. so i don't know how you could say you covered the issues that all hamas ao harris talks about is how she dislikes donald trump. >> just stop for a second. you said why aren't you guys talking about those issues? i say we aren't talking about those issues. and then you're criticizing me for not talking about the issues because david axelrod's analysis that she because you're not holding the candidates accountable? she is not answering the question. okay. kate, she's not answering the questions and you don't hold her accountable congressman pot calling kettle black, you're not answering my questions. >> you're not answering my questions. >> that's because what the american people, what the people want to talk about, they want to know what the solution is. to double-digit inflation in the high prices they want to know who's going to secure that southern border. she's left it wide open. they want t

republican has now come out and said publicly what conservative congressmen, former congressman fred upton just said yesterday that he voted for kamala harris. he's joining a long list like my friend jeff flake, former conservative republican from arizona liz cheney was just tharon pennsylvania a few days ago campaigning with vice president harris. you don't see the same thing happening with democrats who are endorsing donald trump. but there are dozens of republicans mayors, members of the house, members of the senate, and his own cabinet, who are publicly cautioning. he's too greater risk to take senator chris coons from delaware. thanks for being with us this morning sir. i had how much did kamala harris stray from the truth of town hall? we've got our daniel dale, he is going to do the fact-check and the decision pennsylvania supreme court just made about mail-in and provisional ballots that could have a hugely important impact in that battleground state. those stories and more ahead someone stole my au spice anti-person very now my little a person per day for us 24-7 swept protection.

leaning voters that she is certainly targeting with our messages and all of these endorsements like fred uptone mayor of waukesha wisconsin they've come out for her in the final days. >> yeah. no those pulling those threads together, it just it makes so much sense. it's really fascinating at ron, you talked you also have a cnn piece where you talk about how these different voting groups are changing, how the electorate is changing, and what that means. can you dig into that? because we've talked about working class white voters is kind of a bedrock in american elections, but there are some significant changes to that. >> oh, yeah, look, over time, the pattern is very consistent case he literally going back decades over every four-year election cycles those non-college whites decline as a share of the electorate pretty consistently between two and three points every four years and the difference is made up by an increase in minority voters and to a somewhat lesser extent in increase in college educated white voters now the former blue wall states of michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin non-coll

also this week, former michigan republican, fred upton said he already voted for vice president kamalatates capital on january 6th said this, trump is unfit to serve as commander in chief again. there also mayor sean riley of wisconsin. the fox affiliate in milwaukee reports he left the republican party on january 6th and the harris campaign said this is his first endorsement ever of a democrat for president. watch. >> i also feel in my heart that this is something i need to come out and say. i am going to be voting for vice president harris to become our next president. i am terrified of donald trump becoming our next president for all the reasons i've indicated. he is -- he's -- he's already been impeached twice, been convicted of felonies. and this is not what the united states needs. >> coalition of the decent. joining our conversation washington bureau chief and white house correspondent, april ryan is back and here with me at the table, aisha mills is here. april ryan we've known each other a long time in politics. >> yes. >> i feel like we're all doing our best but staring at th

the first was from former michigan republican congressman fred upton, who served three decades in thehe "new york times" he already cast his ballot for harris, the first time in his life he voted for a democrat for president. next, there's the mayor of waukesha, wisconsin, shawn reilly, an independent, who was a republican for most of his life, but disavowed the republican party after the january 6th capitol riot. he also stated he has never endorsed a democrat before, adding he was very afraid of the direction our country will head in if donald trump becomes president and things will be heading down a road of authoritarianism and fascism. joining us now, the chair of the democratic party of wisconsin ben wickler. how are things looking at this point? >> there's so much energy in wisconsin right now. we had 97,000 early votes in early voting on tuesday. that is triple the midterms. it's more than 2020. the second day of early voting, the number of votes cast was higher than the first day. the energy is palpable. this is a jump ball state. >> let me ask you about that endorsement from

the mayor of waukesha and former representative fred upton. this continues to be evidence of the fact that people who have been leaders in our country, regardless of their political party, under step what is at stake -- understand what is at stake, and they are in support of what we need to happen, who understands the obligation to uphold the constitution of the united states and our democracy. as for last night, yet again, trump not showing up, refused to be a part of a debate. clearly, his staff has been saying he is exhausted, and the sad part of that is he is trying to be president of the united states, the toughest job in the world, and he is exhausted. i said last night what i mean, which is the american people are being presented with a very serious decision, and it includes what we must understand will happen starting on january 20 in this choice. either you have the choice of donald trump, who will sit in the oval office plotting revenge, retribution, writing up his enemies' list, or what i will be doing, which is responding with a to