three years later frederick douglas used it to describe lincoln's statesmanship. douglas said, the president never shocked prejudices unnecessarily having learned statesmanship while splitting rails, he always used the thin edge of the wedge first and the fact that he used it at all, meant that he would, if need be, use the thick as well as the thin. now, the washington correspondent for the national anti-slavery standard judged that lincoln's anti-slavery possibly has been, quote, a wise one for he has drawn many conservatives after him who would have been shocked by any sudden radical action upon his part. lydia marie child, an imminent abolitionist, lincoln is a man of slow mind incapable of large comprehensive view and he was inclined to potter about details and, thus, waste valuable time and golden opportunities. still, the president is an honest man and conscientiously hates slavery. besides, she asked, rhetorically, who is there that would be better except charles sumner? and he would not be available as a candidate. that is, available in those days meant e

i had a question, are you familiar with the meeting with frederick douglas and what he asked douglas to do? >> again, this is not an element of lincoln's schedule that i'm familiar with. i did hear about this recently. what -- what douglas, to the best of my memory was meeting with him about was one, to continue to support emancipation but also pushing for voting rights. >> in addition, again, this is a wonderful period. lincoln asked frederick douglas to organize an underground movement in the south, if he lost the election, that would get as many slaves to escape as possible from the south, if he lost the election. and to have that underground movement in place in case the election went the wrong way. it's an extraordinary colvert operation he was glad he didn't have to carry out. >> this is keeping with the emancipation proclamation itself designed to go at the soft underbelly of the confederacy, which was slavery. if you get -- the reason 80% of military aged white, southern men can be in the military is because you have this huge work force of 4 million people at home who can ke

a young slave sailed up the bay by the name of frederick douglas. he sailed past fort mchenry and its great flag and sailed into history to be one of our greatest abolitionists. a young woman from poland 16 years ago at the age of 16 sailed up the chesapeake bay along with thousands and thousands of immigrants. she came from poland. she was my great grandmother. she told me when she saw the flag she knew she was in the united states of america. this right here at fort mchenry and in this area, we organized ourselves to fight not only for the battle of baltimore for our country, but we organized the great arsenal of democracy to fight for the battle of britain and to save europe from nazis. the battle of north point became sparrows point where we made steel. here in locust point, we made liberty ships. in essex they made planes. we organized not to fight but to save britain. one of the most enduring alliances among people between two nations is the transatlantic alliance between the united states and great britain. so tonight it was great honor that

you mentioned congressman the film link and that the film lincoln doesn't have frederick douglas annette and frederick douglass met with the fresno diocese three times. he is as big a part of emancipation proclamation as -- so i agree that vernon that should be a national holiday. the reason why it's a matter of democracy and citizenship. we live in a country that remembers to forget slavery that remembers to forget lynching, that remembers to forget all these horrible things that happened in the population. if we remembered on june 19 at the end of slavery we could also remember all the americans who died and came together to end slavery including white americans. so juneteenth is very important again as a matter of small t democracy and citizenship where we became making new united states of america by the time all of our citizens realized there was freedom. >> guest: that's something we have to have a great discussion on. we were talking about how universities ought to be involved in this and that's something we ought to have a discussion on. i have talked to a lot of people who still

nearly a decade before frederick's douglas started talking about racial injustice. i got my voice from marie. to date is about marie too. woman of color empowered. i think how silly and hopeless our brothers and sisters, elders and ancestors must have felt when they walked to work, to church, hopeless, desperate, miles and miles and did that hot alabama son, apparently functioning available montgomerie buses passing back. i think about a woman who inspired that smart and strong activism. i wasn't around but i do know the time when our community came together. our country came together because of black woman decided to take a stand. i am not her. i won't in salt and legacy by comparing my sacrifice to hers but i will dishonored if i don't learn from her sacrifice and we do in salt her when we give up on her fight. in an instant, that instant she decided to become a revolutionary. she did that for me so i'd do this for her. to date is about all of us. remembered today, those people who died in factories and farms working and slaving for others and in so doing building

he wins the election and who does he want the most at his second inaugural but frederick douglas? he brings a man in the first person he says to what did you think of my inaugural, is your opinion i want want. douglas said mr. president if it was a sacred efforts of that relationship between the agitator and the politician had its moments of tension but in the end was an extraordinary positive thing for the men. >> let's take another question from the audience right over here. >> hi. i was interested that you met with barack obama and of course i know he read team of rivals. i wish you would have read the roosevelt book because my biggest frustration with barack obama has been his lack of using "the bully pulpit." i mean i feel whether it's health care or syria or any other issues it seems during elections to have that ability to be verbal and inspire people and then you know i just miss that from his presidency. why do you think that is some also i wish you would eventually do a book about him because i think he has a head full of interesting ideas. >> you know it's a very interes

a decade before frederick douglas turner private outcry against racial injustice, my voice from marie to today is about a woman of color and howard. and how silly and hopeless our brothers and sisters and elders and ancestors must have thought when they went to work, to church, desperate, miles and miles under the hot alabama son purposely function available montgomerie buses passed right back. i think about the woman who inspired smart and strong activism. i wasn't around but i do know the time when our community changed together and our country came together because if black woman took the same thing. and comparing sacrifice, and if i don't learn from her sacrifice, and then insult her, would they give up. in that instant, that decided to become a revolutionary. she did that for me and do this for her. today is about all of us. remembered today the black people who died in fields and factories and farms working and slaving for others and in so doing, billing and other family's ridges and businesses that still exist today. businesses our community need. remember thousands of a entrep

. >> professor, this is a frederick douglas moment where he says power can seize nothing without a strugglede. the judicial side is one but the residents of ferguson have the power of recall where they can start to get petitions out there and control their own political destiny. you've got to get out there and vote. only 60% voted in the last municipal election. there's a coalition between those who serve you and those who do not. they need to change the representation of people in that city. that will get a lot of attention, quick. >> you know, i'm suddenly feeling sad so the young person said to you, how could you let this happen and then you're painting about power conceding something without struggle. >> yeah. >> and i wonder if, in fact, part of the failure here is that a generation that had a set of successes then encouraged the next generation not to disrupt, not to -- to pull up your pants and conform and just march the line rather than, in fact, passing on strategy. so not just to disrupt to be disruptive but -- >> purposeful. >> purposeful and strategic ways that could continue to

that someone mention congressman that someone can bet the film again doesn't have said derek douglas said. frederick douglass met with the present with the president of united states three times. he was as big a part is the emancipation. juneteenth i agree with vern that there should be a national holiday. it's a matter of democracy and citizenship. we live in a country that remembers to forget slavery, that remembers to forget lynching, there remembers to forget all these horrible things that happened to parts of the population. now if you remember on june 19 the end of slavery we could also remember all the americans who died and came together to end slavery including white americans. juneteenth very important and again as a matter of small d democracy and citizenship were we became in the united states of america by the time all of our citizens realize there was freedom. >> guest: that's something we have to have a great discussion on. we were talking about our universities involving this. i have talked to a lot of people who still don't understand what the 13th amendment is about. i know lincoln