so did frederick douglas. and that sense of perspective should make us reluctant to start disregarding the fundamental differences between statues of lincoln and confederate generals. if this was just a one-off, it wouldn't be worth focusing on. but lincoln's statues along with those of douglas zband grant ha been toppled over the last year. instead of focussing on what to tear down, we should be building more monuments to black americans who deserve a more evaluated place in the story of america's second founding, sojourner truth and harriet

like most former slaves, even frederick douglas who wrote extensively and spoke extensively, there are details about her life that we don't know, that i think in many ways she did not know. and certainly there were details about her life that she refused to share, and i will be discussing those as well. she comes to us largely through the lens of whites, of white america, through friend and foe, through supporters and opponents, through people who were curious and judgmental, so people who actually knew her and then people who just met her in passing. and for whatever reason, she ensured that that was the case. she clearly spoke her mind, we know that. we have enough to indicate that. and she did that over about at least half of her 86 years. she walked over much of this country, she did verbal battles with some of the most important and skilled debaters of the time, so we know a lot about her, but it still pretty much comes from white audiences, from white photographers, newspaper reporters, allies, opponents. and it comes in a way that represents the racial thinking of the time perio

open the door and said i'm with someone who has been kicking his butt on the public stage. >> frederick douglasroops what white troops were paid. >> douglas was there to complain that black men were not having the same kind of rights the other soldiers were. lincoln said to him these things will happen but it's going to take time. >> frederick douglas comes out of that meeting not entirely satisfied with lincoln's response, but he says to the black population look despite this discrimination, this is our chance to prove ourselves. at the end of the war we will have earned citizenship. >> they stay, they fight because they're fighting not just for freedom today but freedom for their children and their grandchildren and generations to come. >> armed black soldiers on their battlefields enlisted an explosive reaction from the south. >> one of the things actually ironic is that white southerns by seceding makes it possible for lincoln to emancipate enslaved people. when they become his enemy in war they create the legal justification for emancipation so, you know, they play themselves, for lack of

. >> one of lincoln's hardest critic is frederick douglas. uglas was one of the most prominent leaders in the african-american community. one of the greatest figures of the african movement. >> when lincoln says he was not trying to abolish slavery and all the southern states, that did not appeal to frederick douglas. a lot of times when people celebrate lincoln is a way of saying lincoln is better than the radical republicans, his restraint in really pushing hard for the freedom of african-american people, that was a wide course to avoid a catastrophe. what actually happens is that we went to war. itchy? scratchy? family not getting clean? get new charmin ultra strong. it just cleans better, so your family can use less. hello clean bottom! enjoy the go with charmin. facing collagen that's all hype? new olay collagen peptide 24 with derm recommended peptides. hydrates better than the $400 cream. for visibly firmer skin. olay. face anything. visible is wireless that doesn't play games. no surprise fees, legit unlimited data for as little as $25

and william sir, thomas garrett ann marie douglas, sit ny gay, and martha coughman right and frederick douglas and henry kaufman gar net are also highlighted. >>> the next section i would like to talk about is tubman's time during the civil war. so herit tubman was a scout, a spy, and a nurse during the civil war, and on june 1st, 1863, she became the only woman to plan and execution an armed -- execute an armed raid. so general montgomery and the second carolina colored troop, they took three steam powered gun ships which you can see over, there you can see two of them and they chugged up the river, about 25 miles into the depths of south carolina, and they flooded rice fields and burned plantations and they emancipated 750 to 800 people. which is very significant. because in tubman's time, people of course were property, so that was a huge loss for the slave owners down there. and that's what this is showing. harriet tubman in a run-about or a smaller vote, reaching down, to rescue people, to their emancipation and it shows women carrying anything that they could carry, anything, a basket, c

frederick douglas being the most famous of them. and so she dictated this. now remember she was illiterate. she could not read or write. in fact, i think i have it here. that's the only writing we have of her, and that apparently is her effort to write her name. that's all we have. the question is what was happening here? there's some suggestions that made she had a learning disability. maybe some birth defect or injury or something. there were efforts to teach her by some of the children or whatever and they said she just didn't get it. there's something not connecting with her whether it was obinstancy. and the question is how does she know so much about the bible because she refers to the bible a lot. she tended to have children read the bible to her. apparently if an adult read the bible and she asked them to repeat it and repeat it and repeat it so she could understand they started adding their own commentary, they started adding their clarification. she didn't want that. she said children were just as patient could be. they would read it over and over

so did frederick douglas.spective should make us reluctant to start disregarding the fundamental differences between statues of lincoln and confederate generals. if this was just a one-off, it wouldn't be worth focusing on. but lincoln's statues along with those of douglas zband grant ha been toppled over the last year. instead of focussing on what to tear down, we should be building more monuments to black americans who deserve a more evaluated place in the story of america's second founding, sojourner truth and harriet tubman and especially the black union soldiers who fought for our collective freedom, 25 of whom received the medal of honor. that's a movement we can all rally around. and that's your reality check. >> a reminder, you can watch the new episode of the cnn original series "lincoln: divided we stand" sunday night at 10:00 on cnn. >>> "new day" continues right now. >> the senate entering the end game on his cornerstone $1.9 trillion covid relief package. >> the bill spans 628 legislative pages, r

one done better i think for me the most shocking is when i see somebody historical figure like frederick douglasfor example he was actually one of the most photographed human beings in the 1900 century and we've seen photographs of him over and over if you're american you see the same few photographs but he always seems stern and fixed and if you see his face moving he becomes a real human being he almost looks like somebody that you could just have a conversation with the same goes for queen victoria who's famous for looking very stern in her official portrait and when i see her moving she looks younger she looks more human and she doesn't look like this mythical figure she looks like just a normal person. it's almost as if she were on the netflix series the crown a little bit there really brings them to life tell us about the company my heritage that is behind what we're seeing here how are they trying to sell this to people. well they're trying to sell it as something that people can use for nostalgic purposes as the name says so people that want their ancestors to be brought back to life so

done better i think for me the most shocking is when i see somebody's historical figure like frederick douglas for example he was actually one of the most photographed human beings in the 1900 century and we've seen photographs of him over and over if you're american you see the same few photographs but he always seems stern and fixed and if you see his face moving he becomes a real human being he almost looks like somebody that you could just have a conversation with the same goes for queen victoria who's famous for looking very stern in her official portrait and when i see her moving she looks younger she looks more human and she doesn't look like this mythical figure she looks like just a normal person. it's almost as if she were on the netflix series the crown a little bit there really brings them to life tell us about the company my heritage that is behind what we're seeing here how are they trying to sell this to people. well they're trying to sell it as something that people can use for nostalgic purposes as the name says so people that want their ancestors to be brought back to life so

frederick douglas and william garrison was also a man of their time. >> by the final debate, douglasice. he barely croaking his way through and abraham lincoln gets the final word. he says the perpetuation of slavery was a compromise and necessary of the union but the founders did not intend for the founders to expand. >> lincoln reminds the crowd that only 82 years before that the founding fathers liberated the united states from the tyranny of kings. >> whether it comes from a king who strives the people of their own nation and live by the fruit of their labor or one race of men as an apology of enslaving for another race. >> he's saying that slave owners are like tyrants and slave owners are fundamentally un-american. nothing about that antislavery approach is predicated on concern with black people. it is fundamentally about lincoln's ideals for the nation and i think that's one of the major appeals to a lot of white northerns. >> lincoln's stance allowed northern republicans to stand proudly against slavery while remaining firmly committed to white supremacy. his rhetoric had th

frederick douglas especially after feeling first the declaration of independence was not for him, realized it was and as he became a friend of lincoln , he became a major proponent of the values that eventually led to the genuine liberation of the defendants of those of slaves-- descendents of those a slaves. i can't claim to be on charge of any of the history. i'm not the kind of person that goes out and dig original documents out of archives, i'm a storyteller, to that extent on something like nikole hannah-jones except unlike nikole hannah-jones, i actually care about the authenticity and accuracy of the materials that i'm quoting from. i have invited nikole hannah-jones to debate with me and she has not responded at any point. i do find that the times readiness to self edit its document, discovery by the way which we hope fill magna, this readiness to make mistakes and then cover them up and not admit they were mistakes goes further into the realm that we are now dealing with a project that is fundamentally dishonest. i realize there are questions coming in and it went to leave time fo

and frederick douglas says, "it was a sacred effort." sn't just responding to the words. lincoln has condemned slavery morally before. but now when he says slavery was wrong, he's saying it having signed the emancipation proclamation and the 13th amendment, really committed in a new way. the speech without those other actions wouldn't have mattered. >> and that was the last time they encountered each other. >> this cnn original series, "lincoln: divided we stand," is brought to you by fidelity cologard. colon cancer screening made easy. table. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers even in early stages. tell me more. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your prescriber or an online prescriber if cologuard is right for you. i'm on it. sounds like a plan. we're all born with 2.5 billion heartbeats, that makes you a billionaire. ♪ so let's not waste the fortune within us... invest in the people you

and frederick douglas says, it was a sacred effort. he wasn't just responding to the words.demned slavery morally before. but now when he says slavery is wrong, he's saying it having signed the emancipation proclamation and the 13th amendment, really committed in a new way. the speech without those other actions would not have mattered. >> that was the last time they captured each other. >> this cnn original series, lincoln: divided we stand, is brought to you by fidelity investments. for cash flow that lasts, even when you're not working, so you can go from saving... to living. ♪ let's go ♪ it all starts with an invitation... ...to experience lexus. the invitation to lexus sales event. get 0% apr financing on the 2021 nx 300. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. it's amazing. new revitalift night serum with pure retinol our most potent retinol. in a clinical test, 100% of women showed reduction of wrinkles, even deep ones. new revitalift night serum with pure retinol from l'oréal paris. introducing michelob ultra organic seltzer it's made with real fruit juice is six ti

you go back frederick douglas abolitionist abraham lincoln fought for increase federal freedom in 1860s country went to war over it and we went to war in 1770s more freedom and getting laws off the book. now we have a generation that thinks well america is a place to start serving people's feelings. not we don't have to overthrow where we're creating laws to satisfy feelings but a government can't do that or sustain a society where -- we're just serving people's feelings because people's feelings are irrational. they're irrational, mark, i think i should be married to halle berry i feel that way like i earned that. but i'm not qualified and we have this thing in america where we can have it all and we can do it all and no there are serve things that to quirks all of our feelings and just aren't going to be met and it is not the government's job to meet those needs of people's foolings. and we're just often a fantasy look, we are going to go through and over george floyd. and none of it is going to -- the reaction won't be based on the facts presented in court, it is going to be based in

one of the challenges we always have is that when you look at someone like frederick douglas he's an inspiration but i think many people didn't feel hey i can't measure up to that so it makes them feel like they don't have an individual contribution to make. one of the things that i think is interesting in the book brian is a vibrant civil society. we have been in a cycle now where we have seen it encroaching on more areas of our lives. so we think civil society, the storyteller and the book innovations are helping people with poverty addiction or to get themselves on the right or he are showing that individual feelings. can you tell us more about some of those and what you really feel the state of civil society is? >> while i think you are right. what we try to do in the book is to tell stories that are applied a guide for people who are looking to contribute and looking to find a role in helping to move our country closer to those ideals that we talk about in the northstar. you look at frederick douglass nisei wow thank goodness for incredible people like him and i think that is ri

. >> reporter: and mixed reaction of this image of famed abolitionist frederick douglas.f nancy pelosi, barack obama and donald trump have all made the rounds. during the pandemic with so many of us relying on video conferences, deepfakes have the phones to create confusion and disinformation. >> where there's not a strong media environment to push back against the deepfakes. >> clinton watts testified in congress where he warned fake videos could be used by adversaries to create mistrust. >> the good news is there's only a few people that can make deepfakes that are that sophisticated. the bad news is people fall for much less sophisticated ones. >>> thank you. from covid hot spot to the vaccine rollout, you'll meet two workers working to turn the tide in arizona. and later, republicans are still pushing their social agenda, setting the stage to relitigate abortion rights before the supreme court. supreme cot.ur conventional thinking. it didn't get us to the moon. it doesn't ring the bell on wall street. or disrupt the status quo. t-mobile for business uses unconventiona

move our country closer to those ideals we talk about, the north star and i degree, story of frederick douglas you think thank good foss for incristobal people like this. the wrong thing to conclude is only exceptional people like douglass that will move the country forward because the history of the country is a history of struggling to address injustices, that move us closer to that north star. >> and to social entrepreneurs who have done that are people who -- if you were on a panel of expert, blue panel -- blue ribbon panel of experts to choose, they would never choose the people who are the social entrepreneurs, and so frederick douglass was an enslaved individuals and yet finds his gift and find way to literally change the course of world history. that's the stories we tell in the book, people close toast the problems -- closest to the problems are those best positioned to address them. so you look at a problem like poverty in the country, for instance. we open the book with a story about a group that we work with called the family independence initiative, and it's an extraordinary organ

done better i think for me the most shocking is when i see somebody's historical figure like frederick douglas for example he was actually one of the most photographed human beings in the 1900 century and we've seen photographs of him over and over if you're american you see the same few photographs but he always seems stern and fixed and if you see his face moving he becomes a real human being he almost looks like somebody that you could just have a conversation with the same goes for queen victoria who's famous for looking very stern in her official portrait and when i see her moving she looks younger she looks more human and she doesn't look like this mythical figure she looks like just a normal person. it's almost as if she were on the netflix series the crown a little bit there really brings them to life tell us about the company my heritage that is behind what we're seeing here how are they trying to sell this to people. well they're trying to sell it as a something that people can use for nostalgic purposes as the name says so people that want their ancestors to be brought back to life

with different respectives, you tend to come up with a different product abraham lincoln and frederick douglasther. and dr. king, and range of other leaders have worked with people who had a range of disparate views. but they had a common ground and a common interest. and jay cares. jay cares and he's smart and i think he has integrity those are ingredients i need for -- for great change in the world, which is what i'm trying to do. >> john, this is a problem we've spoken about with you for some time now but what's this new plan of action >> well, tomorrow is the last day for automatic deposit for stimulus checks. and what do you want to do with it if you -- what we know is, if you invest long-term, you're going to have more winners and losers if you invest short-term, your going to have more losers and winners. and i just think that, you know, you can't get off -- jay and i were talking about this. you can't go to a car dealership and leave the dealership if you're buying a car without having proof of insurance and proof of a driver's license. and if you have insurance education -- driver edu

story the narrative of history lessons as we think of portraits this portrait of charles douglas who's frederick douglass's son who after his father sent this the call to arms coloredman called to arms that this is a way of looking at his history posing as before he enters into the war but the pose as he's prepared to fight. prepared to fight with his brother lewis douglas who has a number of letters in exchange with his fiance amelia and one he writes he posed for the photographer in boston his photograph is and howard university moreland spring garden letter collection, but he says i've been in two fights and i'm unhurt i believe we other fight tonight. he says if i survive i shall write you a long letter and then he describes the people who were wounded in from her city in upstate new york, and then he writes another my dear girl. i am away. do not fret yourself to death. oh i beg of you to do not so he's also concerned about her life her concerns and his fiance he talks also about the experience of the welfare of the men and the can he talks about the loss of the three who died in fort wagne

for every douglas -- frederick douglass said in his you african americans needed to "learn trades ornd he was speaking from experience because he managed to by good fortune ended up as a ships talker on the docks of baltimore, which was a terrible job. he was beaten by white dockworkers and his autobiography is filled with the difficulties of that time in his life but it allowed him to escape because he had relative freedom on the docks and not consigned to the fields where most enslaved people expect only misery and death in those killing fields. after the war, he and other leading black intellectuals, particularly booker t. washington, became proponents of what we would now might call trade based education, vocational education as a means of what they would call uplift, particularly in the south for formally and say -- formerly enslaved families and their children. so here are a couple of pictures from hampton institute switches where booker t. washington got his exposure to this method. he went on to pioneer the teske institute. let's -- the teske institute. with future black lead

douglas is the children. including fredericton drew -- frederick douglass junior on the top of the column. and rosa who signed -- on the second for the top of the women's column. all of the documents that we have looked at so far in this exhibition are in the holdings of the national archives, on the national archives preserves them for future generations. i think it is spectacular that a petition, you sent to congress today just as these african american petitioners did in 1877 becomes part of the national archives. we are fortunate we have here today to help tell the story. so, thus far on this tour, we have seen a lot of petitions. women, when they were pressing for the voting rights really only had the first event -- amendments to them to press the government for the rights and for political change. one of the other rates, first amendment rights the suffragists hues, the freedom to assemble, they use pretty effectively as well to gain greater visibility and public contention in particular for their cause. we have this great wall mural here, one of many suffrage parades that were staged

she tries to speed abraham lincoln up until during the first part of the war frederick douglass in his newspaper named the douglas journal. he is berating abraham lincoln for being so slow. this is a war about slavery you have to declare war on the slaves you have to do this, and he just thinks that lincoln's going so slow so slow until finally the emancipation proclamation and then he finally says, okay lincoln, you know, you finally got right on this and lincoln brings douglas into the white house. he considers him a confident in invites link into the reception if his second inaugural and so and and douglas again as i say from literary standpoint, i needed some of that this douglas has the last word in my book because he talks about the significance of both john brown and abraham lincoln any concludes in essence that they were both necessary in their individual ways to the cause of emancipation yeah, well, thank you so much bill. we are out of time. that was a wonderful talk. i know our audience really appreciated it you can get bill's book the zealot and the emancipator from the gettysburg heritage center at g

would stand for washington douglas commonwealth, and amash to frederick douglass, who lived many yearse nation's capital until the end of his life. his home in anacostia is a national historic site looming above that section of washington, d.c. michael in portland says suppose we did not know the racial composition of d.c. or the political meaning of its citizens. in this state of complete unknowing, how would we describe the issue? on the abstract principles, what is the verdict? donnie in louisville, kentucky says it should never be estate -- a state due to no one usually lives there. most people come there to work from other states where they live. i was therefore over a year and most people i ran into were from somewhere else. there are 705,000 residents of the nation's capital and that one in a tweet says so as well. steven says that having a state fully populated by government workers simply guarantees latest devotion to the democrat party. nancy is in callahan, florida, who says no. nancy, mu your volume on that or it's going to feedback. -- mute your volume on that or it's goin

why wasn't frederick douglass there because our scholarship, you know our circle there are three or four books on lincoln and on lincoln and douglas and yet the woman elizabeth keckley who he saw every day is first slade who he was very very involved with he used to take his son to play days. i mean the black community in washington was very involved in lincoln and as you point out, you know, there there was this importance of connecting lincoln to that legacy and i think harriet tubman is a part of the larger broader portrait of doing that in this particular film was one of the first now i will say a lot of my colleagues have problems with abraham lincoln vampire hunter and mike and justifiably so catherine any film that brings together harriet tubman and mary lincoln working together to win the battle of gettysburg. you've got to see it to believe it. i i think you know with something like abraham lincoln the web vampire hunter what has to take it as an allegory. it's a metaphor obviously, right? i love the fact that they show the confederate such vampires. i think it's a great metaphor that they were empires like literally suck

and frederick douglass said i know if he had lived he would have finished that journey with us. he was at heart a progressive figure an antislavery figure. so douglas kept alive this memory of lincoln which in some ways that was a very different memory than the memory propounded by even robert lincoln who often said my father was a very conservative man and emphasized the conservatism of the lincoln legacy. so this represents one example of the kind of ways lincoln's memory was contested after his death. and of course the memory was very different wherever where you went if you were in the north versus the south very very different memories of who abraham lincoln had been and as scholars like david herbert donald have point taught us all there was very difference between the east coast and the western memories of lincoln as well on the east coast. he was always more revered for his statesmanship the western memory emphasized that kind of paul bunyan-like character that he was as well that self-made man of the woods who told stories and and made friends and the human lincoln and somehow our memory of him is a merger emerging between different differ

frederick douglass? and the evolving relationship between the president and this great writer and orator? and how that all came together. both during the inauguration, and after the reception in the white house that evening. >> douglas is probably the key character in the book, besides lincoln. i think the narrative of the arc of the -- is the books subplot. i think it also suggests how the publics attitude towards lincoln changed over time. douglas eventually had great contempt for lincoln as a politician. he thought he was working for the right people. but he came to see overtime lincoln's political skills and passionate hatred of slavery were essential to the discord -- destruction of that. in his first integrations, he struck out of the mud in a second, ones they wouldn't let black americans into the capital. he was stunned that lincoln was to fighting the war as gods will when slavery ended. douglas said lincoln's words struck me at the time and seem to contain ever more vital substance that i have ever seen contained in a space so narrow. i class my hands if the utterance. at the night that he -- he was thrown out two times, he finally got in. lincoln greeted him. there is my friend douglas. when asked his opi