>> well, i haven't read "who was frederick douglas," but i'm assuming that there was something in it or made somebody feel guilty for being white. i have no idea. >> reporter: as i've said it's not in the library. neither is "gender queer" but -- >> the conflict is i cannot say we will not get them because we're a library. if the public comes and requests those books, we will get those books. that's what we do. >> reporter: they say they are not censors, that this library must serve everyone. so, laura, the lady you just saw in that report taking out books to see if they should be banned and refusing to talk to us, well, this morning she wrote a letter to a bunch of local law enforcement, to the state attorney general basically accusing the library director and her supporters of trying to silence them, ignoring them, and lying to the press. and alleging there's some kind of cozy relationship between local law enforcement and the library supporters. so asking for an outside agency to come in to investigate. battle lines are drawn. this is far from over. laura? >> nick watt, thanks. we

>> well, i haven't read "who was frederick douglas," but i'm assuming that there was something in it for being white. i have no idea. >> reporter: as i've said it's not in the library, neither is "gender queer." but --? >> the conflict is i cannot say we'll get them because we're a library. if the public comes and requests those books, we'll get those books. that's what we do. >> reporter: they say they are not censors and this library must serve everyone. >> nick, as you noted there nobody from the other side of the argument wanted to speak with you. how are they reacting now to all this attention? >> reporter: well, erica, just this morning the woman who you just saw in that report here in the library taking out more books to see if they should be banned she wrote a letter to a bunch of local law enforcement and prosecutors, even to the state attorney general noting this is no longer just a local story, this is national. and she is accusing the library director and the library supporters of trying to silence them, ignoring them and lying to the press and also alleging there's also

look at speeches by frederick douglas, replete with references to american values and judiah christianciples and bf in entrepreneur ship and a book called up from sheriff reigns leading, a man born a slave talks about working hard and learning a skill of value to the community and if you do that, nothing at all can stop you. there's a movement called black lives matter where the cofounders are a self-described trained markist and atheist tht hated private property and black lives matter website, they attack the nuclear in-tact family and the very thing that made blacks go forward despite horrendous obstructing cerumen obstacles andlynching and all t, they're all under attack by movements like black lives matter. >>tucker: when you put it that way -- >> i have no idea what that was, tucker. >>tucker: it makes sense. i think it was true. larry -- >> i think it's systemic racism. >>tucker: great to see you tonight. gone cats on the movie -- congrats on the movie. >> thank you, appreciate it. >>tucker: so charles haywood had a long and very successful business career and kind of retired an

john brown invited frederick douglass to take part in the raid on harpers ferry, and douglas was thinking if i could get a high-profile abolitionist like frederick douglass to come along, this wouldn't happen. especially a back black man, a man who had been a slave. but douglas says no. part of the reason douglas says no is that he recognizes that this is probably a suicide mission. douglass understood, having been a slave himself and having weighed the moment when you are going to go for freedom, recognized that enslaved folks in the vicinity of harpers ferry are not just going to follow anybody who seems to have this crack pots keen to start a war. they are going to wave their chances of surviving this war. they are going to say, this isn't going to work. that is exactly what happened. part of frederick douglass's response was, i'm a writer, not a fighter. the second he knew this wasn't normal. like every other abolitionist, he had to admire john brown for having the courage of his convictions, for having the courage to take his views to the point of risking and finally living his life

well grant was spoused by frederick douglass even more than douglas espous lincoln. doug frederick douglass campaigned for grant in both 1868 and 1872 and i'm reminded of the story that at the end of the election in 1872 a group of african americans from philadelphia came to the white house and they said they wanted to come to thank president grant what they said was you are the first president elected by the whole people you represent finally that epitome of our republican values. well grant responded and he said well i fully empathize with what you're saying. it seems to me that every person should have a right to travel on any conveyance railroad that they want and then he made this really remarkable statement, but i believe that every american should have the right to vote. because when ron talks about the ku klux klan, they're real effort was to stop the voting. this was voter suppression. this is a white terrorist organization to stop voter suppression of why because they would vote republican. they would vote 80 to 90 percent republican. so grant then goes on t

douglas said that the only way to free the unionist or free the slaves. eventually lincoln came around to that point of view. it was only when it lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation that frederick clark looks to finally say good going. and then from there to the end of the war, douglas became a member of lincoln's outer circle. he was somebody that lincoln would consult with. somebody that lincoln would try to send messages to other folks in the black community. and somebody that douglas finally concluded that lincoln did more for the freedom of black people than anybody else in american history. but douglas still thought lincoln was too slow into it. i want to ask a follow-up. you both have written about john brown. i want to bring david in on the german question as well. in your book, you write about the meeting that lincoln and douglass had in august of 1864. they thought about using john brown as a model for getting word to the slaves to become free. can you talk a little bit about that meeting when douglas and lincoln met and what it meant to douglas? >> as was mentioned, douglas first thought that lincoln was too slow. and much more concerned about the union rather than s

even as frederick doug laws d.m. anand: fred lick douglas there is no power without struggle and the talented 10. the work is keen and we are keen to make sure that the work that is done continues to emphasize what is best for them. and african-americans in helping to ensure and the leadership of chairwoman beatty in working with the judiciary committee, and nadler, cohen and myself and the members of the congressional black caucus, we were able to mark up, h.r. 40, to study. what a powerful experience, first with with people including the author of the 1619 project and leaders and scholars who understood that this is restoration and repair and must be created as a commission by law, vote or executive order. glad to have the help of the congressional black caucus on the violence against women act that i introduced and in it were many aspects of work or language for people of color for the first time, training for young men and boys learning how to deal with the issue of violence and the question of rape and how we should be working on that.

issued and and issued the emancipation proclamation the frederick douglass could say good going and then from there to the end of the war, douglas became a member of lincoln sort of loose sort of somebody that lincoln would consult with and try to get her to send messages to the black community and somebody and douglas finally concluded that lincoln was more for the freedom of black people than anybody else in american history. but douglas still thought lincoln was too slow anyway. >> what i ask of follow-up, you both have wrote about john brown so in your book you write about the meaning that lincoln and douglas had in august of 1864, were the other by using john brown as a model for getting work that the slaves to become free and can you talk a little bit about that meeting when douglas and lincoln met and what it meant to douglas. >> as was mentioned, and douglas is thought that he was too slow and much more concerned with the union other than slavery when he actually meant lincoln in august of 18 cc four, he found that lincoln although on a personal level had a complete sort of lack of prejudiced against african-americans an

frederick douglass was, she was charismatic. this pinch medium and. she was also extremely funny. she pointed, very, very limericks and stuff. so. but douglas was the speaker and he is known for his charismatic speaker's speeches and there's nobody like her there wasn't there haven't been anybody like him in the history of the america we talk full stop. it was the most important americans the 19th century. so but people don't know that winslow garrison was also a very charismatic writer. very charismatic writer. and he deployed the printing press to three letters and he was also a pretty charismatic speaker and he gathered people are talking he gather people around him and they faithful to him and the abolition. well we could never have gotten started if they hadn't had such warm friendships with william lloyd garrison. they treated him like a father figure in the boston movement. i love it. so here's a question in the chat. since many abolitionists initially advocated universal, did the maria weston chapman papers reveal any interest by her in the suffrage movement? no. she was not, although she was a feminist. okay, so here's a great femi