[laughter] >> but remember, frederick douglass told them follow the north star, and that was a start. [laughter] go north. >> but then toure, i know just given the the current book you're working on, you have thoughts on a post-racial society. >> we had a meeting about that book as i recall. i mean, the book i'm working on is dealing with post-blackness which is not at all akin to post-racial. psychologically impossible. i mean, it's impossible for me to meet you or you and not think, you know, okay, this is a black person, she's a woman, she's younger than me, older than me, whatever. i mean, this is malcolm gladwell material, obviously, i'm going to know. now, the racism part comes in, are we going to make negative, positive or neutral decisions based on she's black, he's white, whatever? you know, and hopefully we'll make neutral decisions and not negative decisions based on those basic facts. what i'm talking about with post-black is something entirely different. there's a different way to rook at -- look at the possibilities of being black. as you know, there's much, much, much,