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perhaps no one understood this better than the fugitive slave abolitionist frederick douglass who broke with garrison over precisely this issue. the issue of political action. the origins of progressive constitutionalism lie in the abolitionist debate of the nature of the u.s. constitution, and particularly with doug douglass who viewed the constitution as a living, breathing document, that each generation made anew. it was certainly that abolitionist vision that inspired radical reconstruction the reconstruction amendments to the constitution after the civil war. a new historical narrative of abolition, the slave challenges long-standing interpretive binaries. for too long stories of abolition told the story in a fragmented fashion and coin to do so long lines of race and gender. older historical debates, over the relative importance of garrisonnians versus evangelicals and political abolitionists, eastern versus western, revisit and rehash abolition questions. at types uncritically adopting the position of their subjects. i have found them to be far less important than the attention l
perhaps no one understood this better than the fugitive slave abolitionist frederick douglass who broke with garrison over precisely this issue. the issue of political action. the origins of progressive constitutionalism lie in the abolitionist debate of the nature of the u.s. constitution, and particularly with doug douglass who viewed the constitution as a living, breathing document, that each generation made anew. it was certainly that abolitionist vision that inspired radical reconstruction...
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one frederick douglass. and this was an earlier version of the neoclassical turn. it is about the science and the narrative. case, the book, which came out in 2010, it was ironically contracted as a book.ement to another at first, i felt a struggle with sense, it was a textbook. all the stuff that needs to be -- and after a couple years, i finally organized that book, in terms of generations. african-americans, which gets away from the tendency of organizedxts that are according to other theories of american history, often presidential administration. thent to tell the people story from the people's perspective, and think about my father's life. my father was born in 1917, grew up in jim crow south in virginia on a farm, went to fight in the pacific in world war ii, and died in 2000. the book at been contracted to three years earlier, and i had not made much progress. i began to rethink it in terms , for my father, how would it be written? father was of the notion that we had to make progress. the first half
one frederick douglass. and this was an earlier version of the neoclassical turn. it is about the science and the narrative. case, the book, which came out in 2010, it was ironically contracted as a book.ement to another at first, i felt a struggle with sense, it was a textbook. all the stuff that needs to be -- and after a couple years, i finally organized that book, in terms of generations. african-americans, which gets away from the tendency of organizedxts that are according to other...
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the decision was made because of the cost and a planned of the frederick douglass bridge would trap the ship in the river. jackpot, but somebody in the area is $1 million richer after last night's powerball drawing. the winning ticket was sold at a 7-eleven in mclean. 76,000 winners in virginia. the loan winning ticket of the jackpot was sold in new jersey. --r ticket -- 5, 25, 26, josh: i wonder if you were upset if you miss the number. i wonder if you just missed by one. kimberly: not much of a forecast this week to write home about. josh: it will be tough this week. in general, it is prettier than the last two weeks. this time around, we still have the reign of the forecast, but we will see more sunshine fighting through. 61 degrees at reagan national, the breeze out of the north northwest. because the breeze is letting up, we will have clear skies and the light breeze allowing temperatures to get chilly overnight. the futurecast, the high-pressure works across the area today, keeping skies clear. we still bring in the rain tomorrow morning. this will beat out the high pressure. 7:00
the decision was made because of the cost and a planned of the frederick douglass bridge would trap the ship in the river. jackpot, but somebody in the area is $1 million richer after last night's powerball drawing. the winning ticket was sold at a 7-eleven in mclean. 76,000 winners in virginia. the loan winning ticket of the jackpot was sold in new jersey. --r ticket -- 5, 25, 26, josh: i wonder if you were upset if you miss the number. i wonder if you just missed by one. kimberly: not much of...
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police have not released many details but it happened around 7:30 on progressed-- frederick douglass court. the young victim was conscious and breathing when medics rushed into the hospital and we will be on top of that. >>> workers who fired at two women are both expected to-- survive. yesterday two other women were shot and police do not know of any collections between the shooting. >>> not down and ripped off, it happened to a student and washington dc police are asking for your help. they released surveillance video showing people walking toward the student, one punches the victim and the second appears to rifle through his pockets. a third stands there on april 27 . the assailants took off and took the wallet, cell phone, even his glasses. you can get a $1000 tip if you have information on this. >>> students and staff are remembering a beloved teacher's aide. mrs. sampson-- he was shot and killed outside his apartment and police were looking at the shooter. he worked in the second interviewed to be a special education teacher. his funeral is set for saturday. >>> in january this
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every time i teach freshman american -- i teach frederick douglass. is a tough back, a controversial book. the n-word is used multiple times. both n words are used multiple times, negro as well as the other one. negro is offensive to -- of course, fashion changes in these matters all the time -- but lincoln and douglass, what a story, what a drama. seven debates. three hours each. no microphones. no reporters except ones taking notes. just the two guys, one talking for an hour, one talking for an hour and a half, and then the first guy getting a right of response for 30 minutes at the close. and students love it. think it's a highlight of the year because they're not running for president. they were running for senate in illinois. they would be -- douglass and lincoln would be opposing each other two years later for president. this was sort of a dry run for that. but it raises all the same kinds of questions and deep questions about how you -- how a politician speaks to voters in a democracy and what the relationship is supposed to be between a politi
every time i teach freshman american -- i teach frederick douglass. is a tough back, a controversial book. the n-word is used multiple times. both n words are used multiple times, negro as well as the other one. negro is offensive to -- of course, fashion changes in these matters all the time -- but lincoln and douglass, what a story, what a drama. seven debates. three hours each. no microphones. no reporters except ones taking notes. just the two guys, one talking for an hour, one talking for...
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we had to go back and we had to have frederick douglass work with elizabeth stanton for womens suffrage to speak to our better nature to get lincoln to emancipate the slaves. it prevents a different phase for us. i think there's a shift taking place. not in the african-american muslim community. there's still a common struggle. in the greater muslim community, you have muslims who were legally white in terms of checking a box for socially non-white and now they're making a transition because of this new found status. there is an opportunity there for education on both sides of the aisle. i've talked to some of my republican colleagues who happen to have a muslim physician or a dentist. even though the physician or dentist may not be super religious, they still identify as being muslim and they still have complaints about paying for their child's education. they still have complaints about their son who won't take out the trash and just identifying with those common struggles can begin a greater dialogue about our common humanity. >> we're out of time. thank you for coming. thank congres
we had to go back and we had to have frederick douglass work with elizabeth stanton for womens suffrage to speak to our better nature to get lincoln to emancipate the slaves. it prevents a different phase for us. i think there's a shift taking place. not in the african-american muslim community. there's still a common struggle. in the greater muslim community, you have muslims who were legally white in terms of checking a box for socially non-white and now they're making a transition because of...
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let me show you the wisdom of frederick douglass washington, which has given me comfort, because the expression of diversity and inclusion did not present a problem to me. mr. douglas's wisdom sums it up. our best and most valued acquisitions have been obtained either from our contemporaries or from those who preceded us in the field of thought and discovery. we have reaped what others have sown and that which others have sown we have given. it must be a true sin that no possible force of character or wealth of originality can lift a man into absolute independence of his fellow man, and no generation of man can be independent of a preceded generation. brotherhood and the interdependence of mankind are guarded and defended at all points. i believe in individuality but individuals are to the mass like waves to the ocean. the highest order of genius is as dependent as it is free. it is like the lofty waves of the sea deriving its power and greatness from the grandeur and vast mass of ocean of which it forms a part. we differ as the waves, but we are as one as the sea. mr. douglas. ladie
let me show you the wisdom of frederick douglass washington, which has given me comfort, because the expression of diversity and inclusion did not present a problem to me. mr. douglas's wisdom sums it up. our best and most valued acquisitions have been obtained either from our contemporaries or from those who preceded us in the field of thought and discovery. we have reaped what others have sown and that which others have sown we have given. it must be a true sin that no possible force of...
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that david like concluded with, invoking frederick douglass. anyway, he was embodying the notion that ideas matter. we are reminding that the power of words and images actually come together to give us some sense. my colleagues are going to talk in a certain way about these politics of intellectual inquiry as we think about african-american history as american history. to say you know them all is probably to state the obvious but they are listed and i won't go through a full biography but neil is the professor of american history at princeton brent -- princeton university. to my immediate left is the darlene come board of trustees -- darling come board of trustees professor at northwestern university. and the director executive of the american historical association. and jackie jones, a professor of southern history at the university of texas at austin. by the associate professor of history and african-american history on george town and stephanie schopp, professor of history at ohio state university. let me start. given what we have heard over
that david like concluded with, invoking frederick douglass. anyway, he was embodying the notion that ideas matter. we are reminding that the power of words and images actually come together to give us some sense. my colleagues are going to talk in a certain way about these politics of intellectual inquiry as we think about african-american history as american history. to say you know them all is probably to state the obvious but they are listed and i won't go through a full biography but neil...
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. >> i actually worked near whered freddie gray died i actually work at frederick douglass high school. the sentiment cross the studente is he'll see no jail because its been so long we all should kind of let it go. >> reporter: judge williams alone will determine officer nero's fate will decide whether officer nero's roll in freddie gray's arrest was criminal. that verdict is expected to come down at 10:30 on monday. reporting in baltimore bal alexandria limon fox 5 local news. >> search for answers in the air crash. >>> hillary clinton and trump scare ring off over gun rights the war of words. >> memorial day weekend is almost here we'll break down how many out of will be hitting the road for the hole had holiday. week be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> searches are still trying to locate the black boxes from the egypt air. submarine to help with the search. >> investigators try to figureue out why the plane crashed a new audio has been made public more now from will car: we're now hearing a new audio recording from inside the doomed egypt air flight. recording is a conversation con between the
. >> i actually worked near whered freddie gray died i actually work at frederick douglass high school. the sentiment cross the studente is he'll see no jail because its been so long we all should kind of let it go. >> reporter: judge williams alone will determine officer nero's fate will decide whether officer nero's roll in freddie gray's arrest was criminal. that verdict is expected to come down at 10:30 on monday. reporting in baltimore bal alexandria limon fox 5 local news....
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frederick douglass lived on the estate for 20 years and called it cedar hill, a tribute to its spot highn a hill top and sweeping views of the city. this next spot is foot traffic and bicycles. it is perfect for hiking. it is perfect for biking. it is spectacular roosevelt island. >> you can hear the hum of traffic in the distance, but i feel like i'm in total nature. >> reporter: they come for an hour walk every day. >> nobody ever figured out where is this place. >> reporter: the dirt path perfect for a jog. in the middle of the sake. cross the river to the banks of roosevelt island. all these d.c. spots definitely worth the trip. >> check out even more day trips in our nbc washington app. >>> an emotional reunion today as a local teenager got to personally thank the first responders who saved his life. >>> domestic violence review team in prince george's county reviewed several cases and released their findings in this >>> the number of victims has spiked in recent months. women killed by men with whom they were once in relationships. a new report by a prince george's county review te
frederick douglass lived on the estate for 20 years and called it cedar hill, a tribute to its spot highn a hill top and sweeping views of the city. this next spot is foot traffic and bicycles. it is perfect for hiking. it is perfect for biking. it is spectacular roosevelt island. >> you can hear the hum of traffic in the distance, but i feel like i'm in total nature. >> reporter: they come for an hour walk every day. >> nobody ever figured out where is this place. >>...
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malcolm action, frederick douglass, only because my brother method me read them. and so a bunch of people around me, not -- we probably have different realities, different places. are you from new york? people here read. so in baltimore a lot of people don't. but we're changing the culture. we're changing that culture, and so from our own experience i didn't start from the inside. started with the world ask then a lot of people-catching up so that might be a different way to take it through. everything changes. when they start to see your name pop up on papers and magazines, hold on. that's my cousin. i'm everybody's cousin now. 7,000 cousins. >> i didn't start with family, either. my family are not really readers and i just -- when i felt like i was ready i went and got a masters in writing because i thought i was okay but needed to get better and needed to push herself and take it seriously, and i thought inning that environment would help me, okay, this is what i want. and then i just went to agents and editors and all that. i never looked to my family and inne
malcolm action, frederick douglass, only because my brother method me read them. and so a bunch of people around me, not -- we probably have different realities, different places. are you from new york? people here read. so in baltimore a lot of people don't. but we're changing the culture. we're changing that culture, and so from our own experience i didn't start from the inside. started with the world ask then a lot of people-catching up so that might be a different way to take it through....
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we are all aware frederick douglass, many men and women who wrote their narratives in the abolition movement they also became very effective slaveholders founded difficult to dismiss former slaves and northern appellation is suited nothing about slavery and philosophers. they could oppose and a much broader audience than that slaveholders wanted to propagate, that they are benevolent and took care of their slaves they thundered the abolition movement. not in front abolitionist together more readily than the fugitive slave desperate fight for freedom. fugitive slave abolitionist justify resistance to slavery. said mr. inside declared per se, but it was essential to the abolition movement. to leave the enslaved is too profoundly missed the part that african-americans have played in shaping the practice traditions of american democracy. slave resistance revolutionized discourse and practice and moved abolition into the northern state courthouses. rather than liberty laws and attempts to grant fugitives trial by jury and prevent the kidnapping of free blacks in to slavery challenge the extraterr
we are all aware frederick douglass, many men and women who wrote their narratives in the abolition movement they also became very effective slaveholders founded difficult to dismiss former slaves and northern appellation is suited nothing about slavery and philosophers. they could oppose and a much broader audience than that slaveholders wanted to propagate, that they are benevolent and took care of their slaves they thundered the abolition movement. not in front abolitionist together more...
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i wanted to weave in some figures who were fairly well known, make sure frederick douglass was in thereand keep figures like that, but i also wanted to get people in the story who people do not always realize. one of them was powerful stories was about a man man named joseph miller who is enslaved in kentucky. by 1864, even though kentucky is still a union state that remained in the union, joseph joseph miller runs away in his able to join the army and he ends up bringing his family with him. in the book i weave in some account of men who went off and joined the union army but left their families at home. they're getting letters from the wife saying you need to come back and get us, we are getting beaten, we're getting horribly abused. but joseph miller brings his family with him. he was promised, and exchange for his service his family could remain in camp with him and they would all have the freedom, hit and his wife have for young children. by november 1864, union forces in kentucky are building barracks for winter quarters, they realize the section of camp where african-americans ar
i wanted to weave in some figures who were fairly well known, make sure frederick douglass was in thereand keep figures like that, but i also wanted to get people in the story who people do not always realize. one of them was powerful stories was about a man man named joseph miller who is enslaved in kentucky. by 1864, even though kentucky is still a union state that remained in the union, joseph joseph miller runs away in his able to join the army and he ends up bringing his family with him....
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rich bostonians and new yorkers funded the abolition movement, including supporting frederick douglass, who came up with one of the greatest civic insights of all: "power concedes nothing without a demand." and if we are so, so shorn of anyy morale that we don't even demand anymore because we've given up on ourselves, w why should the power brokers give us the time of day, especially when they got two parties dialing for the same commercial dollars? so here we go. you'll never hear this type of proposal. ready? justice needs money. the environmental movement was funded before it became a membership base by a few rich people. the early civil rights movement, heavy fufunding from the stern fund in new orleans, the curry family in virginia. the women's suffrage movement was slowing down until some rich women helped fund it in the 19th century. a small portion of very rich people, especially in their 70s, 80s, and 90s, where they have a different perspective on life. they want to look their grandchildren in their eye. they're thinking of not wanting to leave this country, heading for the c
rich bostonians and new yorkers funded the abolition movement, including supporting frederick douglass, who came up with one of the greatest civic insights of all: "power concedes nothing without a demand." and if we are so, so shorn of anyy morale that we don't even demand anymore because we've given up on ourselves, w why should the power brokers give us the time of day, especially when they got two parties dialing for the same commercial dollars? so here we go. you'll never hear...
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frederick douglass was not a minister, neither was james mcewan smith. used the language of the bible. used bible passages, they invoked god. god, itare not invoking is not as narrow. here.somewhat narrow it is a tradition that has a long history. much, think about it so that we do not realize how the tradition has been used as a counter narrative to this other way the bible is used politically. edna: i am intrigued with the case of marywood. the idea that religion can be linked to mental illness, though i think some of us recognize that connection. this is a racial is asian of the whole thing. racialization of the whole thing. did you find -- being diagnosed with this? judith: there was in the assumption that a man who calls himself god was of course crazy. the psychiatric literature was very distinctive in rehearsing a likey that goes something the negroes, three generations removed from savagery, and when i looked at -- when i think about a broad context, i found a large set of psychiatric literature that does the same thing. it links diagnostic categ
frederick douglass was not a minister, neither was james mcewan smith. used the language of the bible. used bible passages, they invoked god. god, itare not invoking is not as narrow. here.somewhat narrow it is a tradition that has a long history. much, think about it so that we do not realize how the tradition has been used as a counter narrative to this other way the bible is used politically. edna: i am intrigued with the case of marywood. the idea that religion can be linked to mental...
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we had to go back and we had to have frederick douglass work with elizabeth stanton for women's suffrage to speak to our better nature to get lincoln to emancipate the slaves. we had to do the same when it came stores desegregating the military, when it came to pushing jobs on the civil rights question and the voting rights question. i think the more muslims who participate in the political process, it presented different face for us. as our mutual friend, dr. german sherman jackson, think there is a movement taking place. even with african-americans, muslims, christians, jews and others, there is a common struggle but in the greater muslim community, you have muslims who were legally white in terms of checking a box for socially non-white and now they're making a transition because of this new found status. that is where the struggle begins. there is an opportunity there for education on both sides of the aisle. i've talked to some of my republican colleagues who happen to have a muslim physician or a dentist. even though the physician or dentist may not be super religious, they still i
we had to go back and we had to have frederick douglass work with elizabeth stanton for women's suffrage to speak to our better nature to get lincoln to emancipate the slaves. we had to do the same when it came stores desegregating the military, when it came to pushing jobs on the civil rights question and the voting rights question. i think the more muslims who participate in the political process, it presented different face for us. as our mutual friend, dr. german sherman jackson, think...
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washington, frederick douglass,, and the proliferation of scholarship by historians, including john franklin, g kenneth stamp, and many others documenting plantation life of enslaved families, their still existed an institutional unwillingness to recognize the importance of african-americans to the history of the united states. by the time i left that day, holding still that bill of sale naming my ancestors, i had fully internalized the line from ralph ellison's invisible man -- "i am invisible, understand, simply because people refuse to see me. " i am invisible, understand, simply because people refuse to see my ancestors. when unfettered options exist in shaping representation of the nation's history of human chattel slavery, we often choose, or for that matter, manufacture,, a storyline that uminate our personal bias. at somerset place and plantations across the south, an industrywide option had been exercised to render invisible slavery's ugly stain and slavery's victims to all generations. 1986, i had documented the lineage of every slave family place.merset the record-keeping was phen
washington, frederick douglass,, and the proliferation of scholarship by historians, including john franklin, g kenneth stamp, and many others documenting plantation life of enslaved families, their still existed an institutional unwillingness to recognize the importance of african-americans to the history of the united states. by the time i left that day, holding still that bill of sale naming my ancestors, i had fully internalized the line from ralph ellison's invisible man -- "i am...
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i wanted to weave in some figures who were, you know, fairly well known, make sure frederick douglass is in there, key figures like that. but i also wanted to get people in these stories who people don't always realize. and one of the most powerful stories is about a man named joseph miller who was enslaved in kentucky. and by 1864 even though kentucky is still a union state, a slave state that remained in the union, joseph miller runs away, and he's able to join the army. and he insists on bringing his family with them. in the book i weave in some accounts of men who went off and joined the union army, but they had left their families at home, and they're getting letters from their wives saying you need to come back and get us. we're getting beaten, we're getting horribly abused. but joseph miller brings his family with him. and he was promised, in exchange for his service, his family could remain in camp with him, and they would all have their freedom. he and his wife have four young children. well, by november of 1864 union forces in kentucky are building barracks for winter quarte
i wanted to weave in some figures who were, you know, fairly well known, make sure frederick douglass is in there, key figures like that. but i also wanted to get people in these stories who people don't always realize. and one of the most powerful stories is about a man named joseph miller who was enslaved in kentucky. and by 1864 even though kentucky is still a union state, a slave state that remained in the union, joseph miller runs away, and he's able to join the army. and he insists on...
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john stauffer talks about bridget douglas -- frederick douglass who became after 1850 a radical abolitionisthe writes in his newspaper, we want men at this crisis who cannot be frightened from the advocacy of because of doctrines their unpopularity. let us not then grow weary, but believing whatever is right is practicable, go forth with renewed determination to conquer, though we die in the conflict. at that inaugural radical abolition party meeting was john brown. who would go on to kansas, and then a few years later, to harpers ferry. from the founding of the civil rights activism of the 1960's, the bible politics of the freedom struggle have continuously maintained the theme of purifying america, of making america live up to its ideals, or as martin luther king stated, with regard to the constitution, on april 3, 1968, the day before he died -- always say to america is to be true to what you said on paper. bible politics have been pursued through overwhelmingly black organizations, and through alliances on a multiracial basis. the southern leadership conference, which was led by martin l
john stauffer talks about bridget douglas -- frederick douglass who became after 1850 a radical abolitionisthe writes in his newspaper, we want men at this crisis who cannot be frightened from the advocacy of because of doctrines their unpopularity. let us not then grow weary, but believing whatever is right is practicable, go forth with renewed determination to conquer, though we die in the conflict. at that inaugural radical abolition party meeting was john brown. who would go on to kansas,...
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. >> i actually work near west baltimore where diamond i work at frederick a douglass high school. the sentiment from the studentse he'll see no jail time. because its been so long we should kind of let it go. >> judge barry williams alone will determine officer, will, decide whether officer nero's nr roll in freddie gray's arrest was criminal, that verdict iss expected to come down at 10:30 on no. reporting in baltimore.. alexandria limon fox 5 local news. >> all right. let's give i was live look outside. pretty much the same all day. as we get closer to the end of the month are we getting closer to sunshine. >>> hi there we are going to see a couple sunny dry days. d listen careful i said a couple. unfortunately, we're in for a w' bit of a run once again. take a look at radar. we had widespread r i did tell did you last night today was not going to be a washout. we did have a few breaks earlier in the day.. however, most of the afternoon most of you did see some rain.a. so, as you can see, its pretty widespread let's take a look at the pig picture. we got upper and low pressure s
. >> i actually work near west baltimore where diamond i work at frederick a douglass high school. the sentiment from the studentse he'll see no jail time. because its been so long we should kind of let it go. >> judge barry williams alone will determine officer, will, decide whether officer nero's nr roll in freddie gray's arrest was criminal, that verdict iss expected to come down at 10:30 on no. reporting in baltimore.. alexandria limon fox 5 local news. >> all right. let's...
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we had to go back and we had to have frederick douglass work with elizabeth stanton for womens suffrage to speak to our better nature to get lincoln to emancipate the slaves. it prevents a different phase for us. i think there's a shift taking place. not in the african-american muslim community. there's still a common struggle. in the greater muslim community, you have muslims who were legally white in terms of checking a box for socially non-white and now they're making a transition because of this new found status. there is an opportunity there for education on both sides of the aisle. i've talked to some of my republican colleagues who happen to have a muslim physician or a dentist. even though the physician or dentist may not be super religious, they still identify as being muslim and they still have complaints about paying for their child's education. they still have complaints about their son who won't take out the trash and just identifying with those common struggles can begin a greater dialogue about our common humanity. >> we're out of time. thank you for coming. thank congres
we had to go back and we had to have frederick douglass work with elizabeth stanton for womens suffrage to speak to our better nature to get lincoln to emancipate the slaves. it prevents a different phase for us. i think there's a shift taking place. not in the african-american muslim community. there's still a common struggle. in the greater muslim community, you have muslims who were legally white in terms of checking a box for socially non-white and now they're making a transition because of...