and it's hiding out there in fredericks burg primarily because admiral anymore miss was from fredericksburg. but there's a symposium there every september, and it's attended by academics like me and also by world war ii vets. now, i say this because it's very clear in speaking to the world war ii veterans -- and now we're 60 years out from world war ii -- that this was for very many of them the most important experience in their lives. this was, in my -- many ways, the thing that defined their lives. when ed was giving the introduction, he pointed out that theodore roosevelt felt this way, that he had missed something by being too young for the civil war. and as one of the contributors of theodore roosevelt's enthusiasm -- and that's not putting it too strongly -- >> spiewz yam for war in the 1890s. it was said that he was looking for a war. he didn't care who the enemy was, he was just looking for any war. and the point was to define himself the way, for example, the generation of world war ii has defined it. and i say this with the greatest respect because for people who participate in wa