caroline fredrickson, please. going to quote from our chairman's memorandum on this hearing quote, the purpose of this hearing will be to hear from witnesses on the issues surrounding the alleged act of planned parenthood. so without commenting on its authenticity, does the video played by dr. levatino earlier had anything whatsoever to do with planned parenthood? >> i don't see the relevance of the video to a hearing that is supposed to be focused on planned parenthood itself, and any allegations unsupported as they may be of wrongdoing. so no, mr. conyers, i don't see how they relate to this hearing. >> now, can you describe the results of the independent forensic analysis of the videos released by the center for medical progress? >> yes. the independent examination by the forensic expert found that the videos were completely unreliable because they had been so heavily edited and manipulated, and that they could not be shown to prove any evidence of any type of wrongdoing. >> now, as you note, ms. fredrickson, i

fredrickson. they won't say that any procedure is too far or not in of all it's too brutal. that's the purpose of these hearings because there's a big difference between sangha may not be allowed to protect against something that may not be illegal and he said there was no wrongdoing done because i think what we heard on the tape was wrongdoing. with that, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> i thank the gentleman to not recognize the gentleman from new york for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. we've heard a lot today about saving lives. after 23 years in congress i am still shocked by the hypocrisy we continue here for my friends on the other side of the aisle. since 2013 there been over 900 massive shootings across the country, putting 300 mass shootings in 2015. an average of more than one mass shootings every day this year. 10,128 people have been killed this year alone. americans are 20 times more likely to be killed by gun violence. although we are just 30% of the world population the u.s

i wonder, miss fredrickson, did you look at that chart? did you see the hearing? >> no, i didn't see that chart. >> okay. i don't think that that's an accurate chart and, in fact, i think it's since been proven

fredrickson you earlier said in your comment about mr.etz saying something along the lines that while it isn't against the law, and if that's the case the organization that you are here tested my -- testifying on their behalf today if it's accurate that what you are doing destroying innocent unborn lives and selling their body parts for-profit. if that's not against the law then we better change the law and make it against the law because we are supposed to be a civilized society in a civilized country and to think that kind of behavior is occurring in these modern times, it makes one wonder what the hell is going on in this country. it's disgusting and when i saw these videos and i know the excuses well we didn't know we were being taped. what a defense. we didn't know that somebody might actually find out what's going on and planned parenthood facilities all over the country. that might get out, what's going on. that's a heck of a defense and some of the people that are here and all. the other witnesses in particular i think it takes a

miss fredrickson, you earlier said that -- i think your comment about mr. chaffetz something along the lines, well, it isn't against the law. and if that's the case, what the organization that you're here today testifying on their behalf today, if it's accurate that what you're doing, destroying little innocent unborn lives and selling their body parts for profit, if that's not against the law, well, we damn well better change the law and make it against the law because we're supposed to be a civilized society in a civilized country. and to think that that kind of behavior is occurring in these modern times, it's -- it's -- it makes one wonder what the hell is going on in this country. it's disgusting. and when i saw these videos -- and i know the excuse is, oh, well, we didn't know we were being taped. i mean, what a -- what a defense. we didn't know that somebody might actually find out what's going on in planned parenthood facilities all over the country. that it might get out what's going on. i mean, that's a heck of a defense. and i -- and i -- some of

fredrickson? >> i'm not familiar with the entire corporate structure of planned parenthood. >> all right. well, doctor, are you aware of the stories of the many women who have, whose lives literally been saved by planned parenthood? >> in what way, sir? >> well, that is not my question. my question is, are you aware of that being the case? >> hard to answer the question without knowing what context you're asking it. >> how about you, miss thayer? >> i guess i would ask the same question. >> you don't want to answer the question then. well, you haven't heard about the story of tiffany who was so broke that she couldn't afford a regular doctors visit so, planned parenthood, was her only option. and, that a routine pap smear at planned parenthood diagnosed her with cervical cancer. the early discovery of which, saved her life. you're not familiar with tiffany's case? >> i guess i would ask how much money they asked from tiffany after they did her pap smear. >> i'm sure it was gladly payable for her l

fredrickson would not answer the question. doctor, is that too brutal? >> every abortion, every abortion involves the destruction of human life. i get frustrated sometimes with the it is not a babya baby it's a fetus. we have mostly gotten beyond that argument. you know why that is? that is your son, your daughter, every abortion results and a dead son or daughter. subsequently gruesome. it's perfect. if i abused dog i be arrested. fight it abortions again 1st trimester, 2nd trimester i would be hero do so many people it's absurd. they won't say any procedures too far or not enough. and there's a big difference between saying they may not be allowed to protect us to get something that may not be illegal and to say there was no wrongdoing done because what we heard on that tape was wrongdoing and with that i yield back. >> thank you, mr. chairman. we have heard a lot about saving lives. after 23 years in congress, i am shocked by the hypocrisy we continually hear from my friends on the other side of the aisle. they have been over 900 mass shootings across

fredrickson? >> i'm not in the corporate structure of planned parenthood. >> all right, dr. doctor are you aware of the stories of the many women whose lives have literally been saved by planned parenthood? >> in what ways are? >> that's not my question. my question is are you aware of that being the case? >> it's hard to answer the question without knowing what context you are asking. >> how about you miss up to? >> i guess i would answer the same. >> you heard about tiffany you could afford it regular doctors visit so planned parenthood was earl may option in the routine pap smear at planned parenthood diagnosed her with cervical cancer, the earliest discovery of which saved her life. you are not familiar with tiffany's case? >> i guess i would ask how much money they asked from tiffany after they did her pap smear. >> i'm sure it was gladly payable for life to be saved. >> it would be 50% of whatever charges were that day. >> it could not be more than the value of her life, i can guarantee you that. i'm sure she's quite happy with the little bit that she paid. >> if she w

. >> there's fredrickson? q-quebec i don't think late-term is a technical term so i don't how to respond to that but i don't know the number of abortions that take place every day. >> but you are an expert on this issue. >> i'm not here to talk about medical procedures i'm here to talk about the law. >> i was just lectured at the number of deaths if i just wanted to know if the panel knew how many children are being killed every single day that we know. >> i believe it is almost 4,000 bought by planned parenthood of the abortion industry. and do you know how many late-term abortions over 20 weeks? this is not simply a question of the vitality of planned parenthood actions. we may never find the answer to the question whether they are legal or not legal but reducing human beings to the commodities selling for profit. based on the percentage today it would appear that planned parenthood is participating another suspicious behaviors and all of that at the expense of the american taxpayers. i'm not convinced they

carolina fredrickson, miss fredrickson is president of the american constitution society. she has been widely published on a range of legal and constitutional issues and is a frequent guest on television and radio shows. before joining american constitution society, carolina served as the director of the aclu's washington legislative office and as general counsel and legal director of naral pro-choice america. our final witness is ms. luana stoltenburg who is public speaker for operation outcry a ministry that seeks to educate the public about the devastating consequences of abortion. she's a resident of davenport, iowa. welcome to you all. your written statements will be entered into the record in their entirety. and i ask that you each summarize your testimony in five minutes or less. to help you stay within that time, there's a timing light on your table. when the light switches from green to yellow, you have one minute to conclude your testimony. when the light turns right side, it signals that your five minutes have expired. and, doctor, we'll begin with you. welcome.

and now, let's bring in our law enforcement analyst cedric fredrickson, and you have studied the videoof vus seen it multiple times by now, and what is your take on o potentially what could have justified if anything this kind of behavior by a police aoffice? >> well, i think that this is going to be very hard for that sheriff's deputy to justify, wolf, up der the circumstances of what we are seeing in the individu video there. regard le regardless of what happened before or after, it is going to be hard to make sense of why you would use so much force inis syd of a young student in the classroom. it had a real bad optic to it, but at the end of the day, we have do what we always do, wolf, conduct an investigation and allow the process to take place, and you had witnesses in the classroom, both the teachers and the students, and as this investigation is going to be moving forward from the civil rights' perspective and also from the local investigative perspective, it is going to be interesting what the outcomes are, and it is, again, disturbing to look at upon first blush. >> president

miss fredrickson, you earlier said that -- i think your comment about mr.chaffetz something along the lines, well, it isn't against the law. and if that's the case, what the organization that you're here today testifying on their behalf today, if it's accurate that what you're doing, destroying little innocent unborn lives and selling their body parts for profit, if that's not against the law, well, we damn well better change the law and make it against the law because we're supposed to be a civilized society in a civilized country. and to think that that kind of behavior is occurring in these modern times, it's -- it's -- it makes one wonder what the hell is going on in this country. it's disgusting. and when i saw these videos -- and i know the excuse is, oh, well, we didn't know we were being taped. i mean, what a -- what a defense. we didn't know that somebody might actually find out what's going on in planned parenthood facilities all over the country. that it might get out what's going on. i mean, that's a heck of a defense. and i -- and i -- some of

fredrickson, welcome. >> good afternoon, chairman goodlatte and members of the committee. my name is caroline frederickson and i'm the president of the american constitution society for law and policy. i am testifying today in my personal capacity and do not purport to represent any institutional views of the american constitution society. thank you for providing me the opportunity to testify here today in response to this most recent attack on planned parenthood. planned parenthood is a nearly century old health care provider that plays a critical role in securing the right to health care for millions of americans. each year planned parenthood health centers provide services such as family planning counseling and contraception, breast exams and testing and treatment for sexually transmitted infections to 2.7 million patients and no less than one in five women in the united states has visited a planned parenthood health center at least once in her lifetime. these services help women prevent an estimated 516,000 unintended pregnancies and 217,000 abortions every year. these