yes. >> i always loved your defense in morris versus fredrik majority. i was curious that the opinion in the case that was most, i don't know, different but interesting was justice thomas' dissent that inch -- everyone in high school has no amendment rights ever and the schoolhouse is for teachers to control and as law professor is really nice to think about, but i was curious, you know, you were there for all the tinker, frazer and morris case, why everyone specially at the lower education level seemed pretty okay with the idea that students do have these free speech rights in general and only justice thomas was sort of on the other side all alone that teachers should be able to control the law school -- i'm sorry, not law school, that was floridan there, control their classroom with compete impunity. i just wondered why students do have the free speech rights. >> well, of course, justice thomas is pretty unique, i think, in his approach to this issue. but he is very independent thinker. he has his own ideas on a number of issues and he's pretty consist

>> sure, there's an interesting passage, it's in the book from fredrik douglas, former slave and by the way, terrific novel call that turns on, douglas as a character going through ireland. direct quotes. i find myself treated, he said, they welcomed him and big crowds for speeches. then he said he was appalled. only in american south have i seen anything worse, being slaves, of course, 4 million slaves, have i seen anything worse. they come to america and over about ten years where they are told that these blacks are if they're ever free will take their jobs. what happens to irish, they come to pick up racist attitudes. they're told by all their newspapers, don't, we won't fight to free the blacks because they'll come and take your terrible jobs. remember, they have the lowest realm. this is always the case f there's someone below you you don't want them to be free because you don't want them to take their job and there's a real split and abraham lincoln who if you haven't come to the conclusion that he was our greatest president, come to that conclusion. this is one of the bits of bri