samuel mitchell the senator from new york mentioned freedonia. we are the freedonians dependent works with the canon as america. why do we the americans? the canadians have never forgiven us for taking that title so that was an issue running through the whole period. what kind of people are we? the government was contested between the hamiltonian who wanted a european type of state, fiscal militaristic that could take on the european states eventually on their own terms with a standing army, the big media and bureaucracy that was equal to any of the europeans verses the jeffersonian, the republicans, democratic republicans fall were such a person who wanted a minimal state and wanted to use economic sanctions as an alternative to the use of military force. this is the grand embargo we were involved in the jefferson promoted in 1807. how to use economic sanctions as an alternative to military force because the use of military force is so violent, so bloody anything must be tried. that is jefferson's rationale. it is a period of enormous controvers